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Please post all comments/queries about the contest in this section. [[User:Dauth|Dauth]] ([[User talk:Dauth|talk]]) 15:14, 5 October 2016 (CEST)
Please post all comments/queries about the contest in this section. [[User:Dauth|Dauth]] ([[User talk:Dauth|talk]]) 15:14, 5 October 2016 (CEST)
== End of the tournament ==
=== End of the tournament ===
Will the contest end on the friday 21's midnight or will it be at saturday's midnight? ( Didn't forgot to sign this time :b ) --[[User:Romaoplays|Romaoplays]] ([[User talk:Romaoplays|talk]]) 02:04, 18 October 2016 (CEST)
Will the contest end on the friday 21's midnight or will it be at saturday's midnight? ( Didn't forgot to sign this time :b ) --[[User:Romaoplays|Romaoplays]] ([[User talk:Romaoplays|talk]]) 02:04, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

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Ambox Links

You have added the {{Links}} ambox to some articles. The text says: Some of the internal links on this page may not be written correctly., but on some marked pages there are no links at all, e.g. Wallachia. Do you want to criticize the lack of internal links on these pages? If so, perhaps the {{Copy edit}} ambox with the reason ‘absence of links’ (or something) is a better choice. – Lillebror (talk) 08:23, 20 May 2015 (CEST)

Probably right. I'll change them when I get the chance. Dauth (talk) 09:51, 20 May 2015 (CEST)


Let me handle the rollout. I can mostly automate it, and I want to possibly tweak a couple of things first. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:52, 13 June 2015 (CEST)

No worries, will stop now. Dauth (talk) 22:52, 13 June 2015 (CEST)

Event pages

Add assessment to those event pages when you're done, would you? ~ Meneth (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

Will do. Quick question is it worth building a ambox for Needs boxing to indicate events/decisions which need to be put into the pretty box format? Current plan is to put these in C unless you would recommend B instead. Dauth (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
They go in "list", not a letter grade ;)
We could probably use an ambox for computer-generated pages, yeah.
You might want to use my Java parser rather than my Python parser if you've got the development environment for that. At this point it's better.
Still WIP though, so haven't actually made a JAR or anything like that, so you do need an IDE or compiler to run it, and would have to first edit in the correct path (currently hardcoded).
It's available here: https://github.com/Meneth/JParser ~ Meneth (talk) 16:21, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
I'll stick with the python one, I'll also do the same for decisions soon. Dauth (talk) 16:23, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
That's fine.
Once it's runnable without a development environment, I'll stick it on the Project:Parser page. No real timeline for that though; I'm rewriting it mostly to pass time. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:24, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

I could upload the output from my Java parser to MediaFire, perhaps? ~ Meneth (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

If you think it will be faster then I'm happy to use that as the input instead. Dauth (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/download/z5wtbnbb1cp466b/output.7z
Should be essentially no missing localisation there, unlike say, Women in History events. Far fewer unlocalised commands/conditions too (should be 4 total out of about 1000. ~250 less than the Python parser).
~ Meneth (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
Cheers, will continue with this and if needed go over the older ones too. Any ideas what we should call this future ambox? Dauth (talk) 16:48, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
"Computer generated content" might work? ~ Meneth (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
Sounds good to me, I'll put in the link and we can build the template later. Dauth (talk) 16:50, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
Sounds good. Might as well just drop the "content" bit I think. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:51, 3 July 2015 (CEST)


I think you missed AoWEvent.txt; do you have updated event in version 1.12.2? Stigni (talk) 20:26, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

I have the file I'll go update it now. Dauth (talk) 20:59, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
They were two different question. If every event list is update with 1.12.2, I can update everything to 1.13.beta only looking at the differences between 1.12.2 and 1.13.beta (I have only these two version on GitHub). Stigni (talk) 21:32, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
I do have everything in the 1.12 version but its in the non-boxed format which means we're going to lose a lot of work. Hence I only used it for new pages and not correcting old ones. How many events pages need an update to 1.12? Dauth (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
There is 41 [[* events]] pages with 1.11 version and 1 with 1.10 version. Stigni (talk) 21:39, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
That's quite a few, I'll get on with them. I think the Milanese page is also 1.8. Dauth (talk) 21:41, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
Note that I've spotted more localisation issues and the like.
Here's output with most of that fixed: http://www.mediafire.com/download/z5wtbnbb1cp466b/output.7z
You wouldn't believe how easy localisation is to fuck up. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:57, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
I may have another go at this, Stigni was also going to do some work too I think. Dauth (talk) 23:26, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
If you're gonna redo stuff, please do wait until the parser is in a better state, unless you feel like wasting time. I continually find issues. It's already better than the old Python parser, but there's still plenty of issues.
It is very much WIP. I'll work more on it tomorrow, but now it's getting late and I'm tired. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:29, 3 July 2015 (CEST)
No worries, we can hold off. This does at least give us a bit more completion on the wiki. We could also do with the parsed decisions files too. Dauth (talk) 23:30, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

(Unindent) The Java version can't handle decisions yet. That'll be the next step once I'm reasonably happy with event parsing. Based on what I remember from making the Python version though, it should be simple enough. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:38, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

Formation Decision

I don't understand what you want to do with Formation Decision. If you could explaine your idea, maybe I could help. Stigni (talk) 11:33, 13 July 2015 (CEST)

If you look at the Decisions page I added a lot of redlinks for the formation decisions for several nations. They may already exist on the nation page or they may need to be added. For example its possible to form Spain militarily or diplomatically, those are two decisions which we need to have explained. They exist on the Spain page but there was no link on the decisions page. A lot of them may we just involved linking to the proper pages. Does this help clarify? Dauth (talk) 11:49, 13 July 2015 (CEST)

Computer generated pages

You have added a lot of computer generated pages. Most of the terms dealing with manpower are not correct. Perhaps you can improve your skript. – Lillebror (talk) 09:31, 23 July 2015 (CEST)

A lot are on Meneth's parser, let me know where the errors are and I'll got have a look too. Dauth (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2015 (CEST)
Oh, I thought my description was good enough. During my edits of the Charruan events I recognised it. (The event French Wars of Religion is an good example, errors in effects and triggers.) – Lillebror (talk) 12:09, 23 July 2015 (CEST)
The events were with Meneth's unrelased java parser which he ran for me and I grabbed the output. I'll double check a few of the computer generated ones. Dauth (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2015 (CEST)
I've fixed the manpower localisation in my parser now. Latest output: http://www.mediafire.com/download/wus50w59tta7pea/output%282%29.7z. Haven't worked on the parser for about two weeks now, so should be relatively stable.
All tokens found in events are at this point localised. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:32, 23 July 2015 (CEST)
Every single file has changed, I can copy them all over since this is the only way to guarantee I've got everything. Unless someone has a more elegant plan? Dauth (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2015 (CEST)
Would work I suppose. BTW, I've updated it so that anyone with Java installed should be able to run it. I've also made a wiki page for it: Project:JParser. The actual output should be the same as I linked above though. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2015 (CEST)
I've been using the output, Lillebror can you identify a search term to id the screwed up manpower? I think base manpower may be the one that's wrong but could do with confirmation. Dauth (talk) 15:11, 25 July 2015 (CEST)
"manpower" was wrong. You can see the fix I did here: https://github.com/Meneth/JParser/commit/29580f2ef47f38cb5b89d96b86ec739859afa1a2. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:19, 25 July 2015 (CEST)
Oh and it was localised identically to "base_manpower", so a search and replace can't fix that I'm afraid, only tell you where it *might* be wrong. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2015 (CEST)
I'll dump new output on anywhere where I can find base manpower on the created events page, doesn't seem to be too many left. Dauth (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2015 (CEST)

(Unindent) That should do it, yeah. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:22, 25 July 2015 (CEST)

Done, I'm sure we could benefit from more copied but it can wait until we're done with the organised approach work. Dauth (talk) 15:34, 25 July 2015 (CEST)
Yeah. On the plus side, your edits made me find an encoding issue in the parser: "Named per brahe den 孤re". That show now be correctly displayed as "Named Per Brahe den äldre" (the capitalization thing wasn't an encoding issue, but I fixed that as well while I was at it. Also fixes the DLC names being all in lower case, and a few similar minor issues). ~ Meneth (talk) 16:15, 25 July 2015 (CEST)
Sorry I had not the time to deal with this issue last weak. Hopefully this week... – Lillebror (talk) 08:38, 26 July 2015 (CEST)


The easiest way to tell people to sign is by using the unsigned template. In that case: {{subst:unsigned|AkwatiKata|20:18, 27 July 2015 (CEST)}}. I don't think I've seen anyone keep forgetting to sign after the unsigned template has been used, plus it solves the immediate issue on the talk page as well. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:27, 27 July 2015 (CEST)

Country navbox

OK. Who is allowed to rate articles? I have wrote Norwegian Wood some time ago (spend some time on the map), and it doesn't have any rating yet. Puchacz (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2015 (CEST)

I do most of the rating. Occasionally Dauth or Lillebror rates an article as well.
I've given Norwegian Wood a B now; looks pretty solid. Didn't see it when it was first created, sorry. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:05, 4 September 2015 (CEST)

Old Images

I'm trying to clean up some of the old images/screenshots that are still marked as 1.6 to 1.10. How do I mark the old images for deletion? Asking here because I noticed Dauth cleaned up behind me and got rid of two of them. You can also do your magic on www.eu4wiki.com/File:Eu4_Revolts_table.PNG in a moment. --Rendiggy (talk) 13:42, 3 October 2015 (CEST)

It would be better if you were to upload new versions over the old ones that would mean I didn't need to delete the older one. To make for delete use the delete template {{delete|}} and type your reason after the | . Dauth (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2015 (CEST)
I tried uploading an updated version originally, but it wouldn't accept the file. I'll try to figure out what the issue was. --Rendiggy (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2015 (CEST)
Was it perhaps a different format? A JPG file can only be replaced with another JPG file. A PNG file can only be replaced with another PNG file. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:47, 3 October 2015 (CEST)
Super speed admins typing before I get there. Dauth (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2015 (CEST)
If you can't convert the files just upload what you have and I'll delete the ones they replace. Meneth can we install imagemagik or the like on the server? Dauth (talk) 16:16, 3 October 2015 (CEST)

Time stamps

The wiki doesn't seem to use the same time zone across the system which is honestly quite confusing. For example, the signatures on the Discussion pages will show one time while the Recent changes will show another. Is it possible to streamline the situation? ~ SolSys (talk) 11:32, 14 December 2015 (CET)

I don't know, that's something to ask Meneth, if it helps I'm currently on CET and all the times look fine to me. Try looking at the time settings in your preferences. Dauth (talk) 11:40, 14 December 2015 (CET)
The Talk pages use hardcoded timestamps, inserted as plain text when you sign a comment. This timestamp uses CET/CEST; the time zone the server is configured to use as it is in Amsterdam, and I'm in Norway.
All (AFAIK) other pages use dynamic timestamps however, based on the time zone you're personally in. This can be changed in your preferences.
So if you want complete consistency, you can switch the time zone used over to CET in your preferences. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:43, 14 December 2015 (CET)
Sounds like a plan. Thanks. ~ SolSys (talk) 12:04, 14 December 2015 (CET)

Events template from parser


I've seen that you have been updating events with the parser output form Hairy Dude. PLease note that it is note perfect, and need future handwork. For example this edit destroyed mtth parameter and broke years with some space. Perhaps add Computer Generated Template each time you update it this way? Puchacz (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2016 (CET)

I've been trying to catch them, obviously I missed on. I know its not perfect but I've been using about 1/20 pages after eliminating ones with more serious issues. Hopefully a fully ready parser will be along soon. Dauth (talk) 15:16, 7 January 2016 (CET)
Well, it is very hard to make a perfect parser, and Hairy Dude did a great job. I really like about this one that HD added event id in commented page, which would help in updating. And btw, about Saxony, I believe that it was enough to just change 1.13 to 1.14, as event was not changed ;) (judging form the result). Puchacz (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2016 (CET)
Thanks! It's gratifying that other people are using something I made :D Did you manage to run it yourself or did you use the zipped output I uploaded?
As an aside, I just pushed a patch that implements decisions. The usual caveats about (in)completeness and computer-generated ugliness apply. Hairy Dude (talk) 05:44, 12 January 2016 (CET)
I used the files you uploaded. It might be worth repeating that with the updated version of the parser. Dauth (talk) 09:47, 12 January 2016 (CET)
And since I made some major updates recently, I've updated the zip file with output. See my user page. Note that mtth is now shown for is_triggered_only events that have it, and I remembered about option conditions again. Hairy Dude (talk) 02:48, 15 January 2016 (CET)
Good to know, I'll get an updated set soon. Dauth (talk) 10:27, 15 January 2016 (CET)

(unindent) I just pushed a patch that should make it work on Windows (tested on 10), and an updated readme with new build instructions that should get it working no matter what. Hairy Dude (talk) 18:17, 25 January 2016 (CET)

Parser transclusion

Dauth, regarding the following point on your list:

  • Strategy guides which show events/decisions/missions should have them set up to transcude and transcluded (setting up every event/decision/mission is too much work for too little gain)

It might be easier to implement this using Hairy Dude's parser. ~ SolSys (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2016 (CET)

I think you have a good point there. If you want to suggest to HairyDude that the parser auto generates the base information for transclusions then please go ahead. Dauth (talk) 01:01, 27 January 2016 (CET)
I just thought of another - more direct - approach. I'll try to see how it works with baking it into the template. If it won't work I'll see if he can incorporate this into his parser. I'll add it to my list and work on it after some 1.15 page updates. ~ SolSys (talk) 15:38, 27 January 2016 (CET)
It is impossible to include <section begin= /> in the Decision/Event templates. I tried a lot of possible solution on my sandbox, but then I realized it is a well known bug. Stigni (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2016 (CET)
Ah in that case then we should probably ask HairyDude to update the parser. Dauth (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2016 (CET)
Oh, that's too bad. Thanks for the heads up, saved me from some unwarranted frustration. I'll leave a message for Hairy Dude later. ~ SolSys (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2016 (CET)

Removing brackets from super-regions

I was thinking of removing the brackets from the earlier super-region pages [as you asked because of (disambiguation) uses]. I noticed you restored China (super-region) due to redirects, but I didn't see anything in the Page information. Am I looking in the wrong place? ~ SolSys (talk) 14:00, 13 January 2016 (CET)

The pages themselves should be without brackets, however given that several links to the China (super-region) existed, see Special:WhatLinksHere/China_(super-region), it was worth restoring the page to give easier linking. Redirects take up next to no space so we're not limited by them Dauth (talk) 14:20, 13 January 2016 (CET)
What Dauth said. Basically the only situation where a redirect should be deleted is when it is outside the main namespace (and thus is basically useless in most situations), or is actively misleading. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2016 (CET)

Area maps

  • Edit: Moved from user page to discussions. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:16, 21 January 2016 (CET)

Images of regions already exist from super regions pages, do we need areas?

If we're going to go with images showcasing each area in a region, I can do something similar to what I did with the super-regions images. Zraith (talk)
Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of other editors are working on regions pages currently, once they've arrived at a version I think adding in the regions maps would be a good idea. Dauth (talk) 12:26, 21 January 2016 (CET)
The current settled format for the areas/regions ToC consist of region/areas list + map with colored regions. While it is good enough for now, if Zraith is going to make an areas map we should use it to take the next step as well and implement your suggestion from before regarding in-map links [use map for navigation]. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:15, 21 January 2016 (CET)

Alerts Zone

At the moment I cannot find any information about alerts in the linked section, the page or even the wiki. – Lillebror (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2016 (CET)

Its not a highly used link, we can remove it if you'd prefer. Dauth (talk) 18:39, 16 February 2016 (CET)
No. I would prefer that someone would add the corresponding content. – Lillebror (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2016 (CET)
We need the content added to the UI page then. I suspect that its part of an ongoing approach, so in the mean time I've removed the link. Dauth (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2016 (CET)

Infoboxes score in contest

I saw I was awarded 11 points for updating Women in History events. So I guess it were 1 point for updating page and 10 for updating 10×10 infoboxes. However there is a rule in the contest's page: This gives a base amount of 1 ticket per infobox updated. Perhaps it should be updated to the value from last edition (1 ticket per 10 infoboxes), since 1 ticket per 1 infobox is in fact a very big reward. Puchacz (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2016 (CEST)

You are indeed correct, thanks for spotting the error, I've thrown you a bonus ticket for pointing it out. Dauth (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2016 (CEST)

Image with provinces

Hello,I was wondering how to make an image like this? http://www.eu4wiki.com/images/7/74/Cultures.PNG thanks! 123e55 (talk) 15:55, 11 April 2016 (CEST)

I'm not the best person to ask about the images. I think the way most people doe it is they download a plain frame image and then use a fill command in an image editor of their choice. Dauth (talk) 16:04, 11 April 2016 (CEST)

Contest - Sailors

I think you could add a special task for sailors page with extra tickets. Stigni (talk) 10:35, 13 April 2016 (CEST)

Good suggestion, it has been added. Though that may also have been considered a general page improvement. Dauth (talk) 11:07, 13 April 2016 (CEST)

Contest - Achievement Navbox

I see that a great many of the completed tasks have been removed from the competition list, but the "Template:Achievement navbox updating to link to all existing guides 4", is still there. I believe that I completed this and so it should be delisted, if not let me know what else was intended. Rygel8472 (talk) 19:18, 13 April 2016 (CEST)

I've only removed the jobs that have been struck off the list. Meneth is currently in charge of the contest so I'll ask him to double check. Thanks for the heads up. Dauth (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2016 (CEST)

Sailors - Table

The table in the sailors page doesn't display correctly (eg. http://imgur.com/6BUXc2h). I added extra paragraph spaces so that it works, and you reverted the change. Might I suggest reverting the change that broke the table in the first place? Because I don't think you intend for it to display like that. Rygel8472 12:11, 29 April 2016 (CEST)

That's a bug for you. I've tested with both Chrome and Firefox and it doesn't happen for me. Have you cleared your cache? Dauth (talk) 13:11, 29 April 2016 (CEST)
I'm guessing that it had something to do differences in resolution (I'm assuming your's was less than mine), such that for each of us, the others looked wrong. In any case, the changes that Lilebor made between my posting this discussion, and your reply to it, work well and look good. Rygel8472 (talk) 14:24, 29 April 2016 (CEST)
Tried on a 1280*768 PC and my 1920*1080 machine and haven't seen the issues. Glad its fixed. Dauth (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2016 (CEST)

Ideas Guy page deletion

Seems a shame to delete all the useful content from the ideas guy page in exchange for only the quick blurb on the achievements page.--Rendiggy (talk) 21:55, 13 May 2016 (CEST)

True and if you can salvage it and bring it up to the style guide you can view the old edit and build it up on a sandbox page. We've had pages needing style fixes for years without effort so the new idea is to clean out the poor pages and have a better quality wiki. Dauth (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2016 (CEST)
We disagree but you are the admin and get to choose when it is better to have no content vs decent quality content. I will point out that ideas guy is a unique self designed scenario achievement where the player actions during the design process need to be discussed. So it won't ever be as neutral third person language as some other areas of game play.--Rendiggy (talk) 10:11, 15 May 2016 (CEST)
I would love to see good content, the problem is Ideas Guy was filled with bad content. The rewrite for the page would have the following requests.

This page has been tagged as a {{Rewrite}}, the below issues have been found when the page is compared to the style guidelines

  1. Use of you/your: Please change to third person
  2. Use of slang/ internet speak: Please correct to full English sentences
  3. Bad grammar/spelling: Please correct it
  4. Prescriptive instructions: Make more generic
  5. Excessive use of bold/capitals: Use italics instead for emphasis, if emphasis is not needed then remove is
  6. List: Reformat into prose (a listed ideas section is acceptable)
  7. Absence of links: Links missing or replaced by bold or italics which do not function
The would put it in the same ball park as Ming and Rebellion both of which are more important pages. One is a nation with unique rules and the other is a major mechanic of the game. If you want to undertake the rewrite then I'm more than happy to see the improved page back on the wiki. Dauth (talk) 11:40, 15 May 2016 (CEST)

Bug when creating an account


not sure to whom to write. I am trying a create an account on this wiki, but it always shows an error.

I followed "Log in/create account" -> "Create Paradox Account" and completed the form, it says "Creating account..." and then "This is taking way too long, something must be broken. Please try again later". I tried this several times in the past few days. Tried to login with selected email/password - the account was indeed not created. 17:41, 26 June 2016 (CEST)

If this is all happening on the paradoxplaza.com site, you'll want to contact support. You can do so [here https://support.paradoxplaza.com/hc/en-us]. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:23, 26 June 2016 (CEST)

Flag images

I'm a little confused as to the higher resolution flags. The flags in the game files are 128x128, so is the idea that we should find public domain higher resolution replacements or make new flags? I'm no artist so I hope its not the latter.

thanks --Joe246 (talk) 02:09, 6 September 2016 (CEST)

The choice is yours, to create new flags or find public domain higher resolution flags. If you're thinking about this with respect to the contest the flags tend to be high effort for low reward. Your work on Athens however is probably going to give a better return on time invested. Dauth (talk) 09:01, 6 September 2016 (CEST)
Thanks for letting me know. I think ill focus on clearing out style rewrites. Let me know if you think I should add or change anything else for the rewrites. --Joe246 (talk) 16:24, 6 September 2016 (CEST)
The rewrites look good. You may want to link the articles to events/decisions if they're referred to in the strategy guide. You're also doing these rewrites in the run up to a contest which is due to start in just over a month. Dauth (talk) 18:02, 6 September 2016 (CEST)
Thanks, Yeah I'm not really doing it for the contest, I edit the CK2 wiki a lot so I wanted to see if there was anything I could help out with over here, and I saw the contest on the recent edits page and thought I'd rewrite some of the stuff you had listed. --Joe246 (talk) 18:26, 6 September 2016 (CEST)
Thanks. Its very helpful. Dauth (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2016 (CEST)

October 2016 contest

Please post all comments/queries about the contest in this section. Dauth (talk) 15:14, 5 October 2016 (CEST)

End of the tournament

Will the contest end on the friday 21's midnight or will it be at saturday's midnight? ( Didn't forgot to sign this time :b ) --Romaoplays (talk) 02:04, 18 October 2016 (CEST)