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This template is based on the data of {{Template|National idea bonus list}} and the policies page. Many thanks to Evil4Zerggin and John69Doe. – Lillebror (talk) 08:55, 4 August 2014 (CEST)

Government

Could the bonuses from Government type (+25% vassal income from feudal etc.) be added? 155.56.68.216 09:23, 8 August 2014 (CEST)

List of effect of Government form:
  • National revolt risk
  • Unjustified demands
  • Vassal Income
  • National manpower modifier
  • National tax modifier
  • Production efficiency
  • Discipline
  • Prestige decay
  • Yearly legitimacy
  • Manpower recovery speed
  • National spy defense
  • Core creation cost
  • Yearly army tradition
  • Morale of armies
  • Diplomatic upkeep
  • Infantry power
  • Heir chance
  • Merchants
  • Steering toward inland
  • Stability cost
  • Heretic tolerance
  • Heathen tolerance
  • Trade efficiency
  • Global trade power
  • Heavy ship power
  • National trade income modifier
  • True faith tolerance
  • Yearly prestige
  • Yearly papal influence
  • Land maintenance
  • Technology cost
  • Provincial trade power
  • Land force limits
  • Land moral recovery
Actually, an "other" column (for government form, religion, piety, defender of the faith...) would be much better.77.25.235.189 18:16, 8 August 2014 (CEST)

Formatting suggestions

I really like your work here. A suggestion on presenting the data. Don't bother differentiating traditions, ideas and idea group bonuses. They're all conceptually the same thing; the only difference is when you unlock them, which is clear enough by listing the idea's number. Instead, why not try four columns, organized like:

  • Generic ideas (indicate whether it's an idea proper or a bonus, but list them together)
  • National ideas (ditto: tradition, idea, or bonus, but same column).
  • Policies (these are perfect as is).
  • Everything else (religious bonus, gov bonus, decision, etc. For decisions, maybe indicate whether they require a specific religion with an icon, something like Catholicism De Heretico Comburendo +0.5% Missionary strength.png.)

--Pyroclastic (talk) 09:36, 9 August 2014 (CEST)

Thanks. My first intention was to get a shorter table than {{Template|National idea bonus table}} which is clearer than a simple list {{Template|National idea bonus list}}. I realized this by dividing into three columns (traditions, ideas and bonuses). The second intention was to integrate the policies. A seperation of generic and national ideas is implemented by the sorting of the ideas, first the generic ideas in alphabetical order then the national ideas.
Yes, traditions, ideas and bonuses are conceptually the same. Also policies, the only difference is that you have to pay monarch points for them monthly. So one table for a related sector of the game.
Take a look at the tables in Manpower#Global Manpower Efficiency Modifiers or Global tax modifier#National ideas for global tax efficiency. They are very long. If you have a single column for traditions, national ideas and bonuses (even with excluded generic ideas) you didn't get it less highly. Some ideas and polisies have very long names. This is the reason why the columns haven't a specified width. When adding additional columns one should not lose sight of the table width (for smaller displays).
In my thoughts one (not too high, not too wide) table for “everything” is impossible. But try it, perhaps you find a solution.
Lillebror (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2014 (CEST)
Great work! It looks like replacement is complete at this point, so I think I can retire my old templates. Out of curiosity, which parser are you using to generate the tables? --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 08:45, 2 November 2014 (CET)
I am never touching this page again if there is a parser. Vyn (talk) 10:56, 2 November 2014 (CET)
I didn’t use a parser. The first version of the template was created on the results of your parser, Evil4Zerggin. The alphabetical sorting of the ideas is handmade. I always hope that I have not made ​​too many mistakes. – Lillebror (talk) 14:21, 2 November 2014 (CET)
Oh. Well, in that case, I am most impressed by your industriousness. Here's data for 1.8 in the old list format, in case it's helpful: [[1]] --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 02:42, 4 November 2014 (CET)
Thanks. I used the national idea bonuses page to find mistakes and correct the spelling. The errors of the national ideas of the posts in the forum are also found in the template (as well as on the national ideas page). – Lillebror (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2014 (CET)

need fixing

Aristocratic-Plutocratic: The Land Inheritance Act in this bonus table should be Administrative-Plutocratic: The Land Inheritance Act --www.eqmap.us (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2014 (CEST)

Fixed – Lillebror (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2014 (CEST)

global trade power, domestic trade power , these 2 bonus tables really needs rewritten

They are confusing.--kongzheng (talk) 04:45, 12 October 2014 (CEST)

The bonus table of these modifiers should be fine now. – Lillebror (talk) 09:20, 12 October 2014 (CEST)

National idea bonus list

(This conversation was copied from the obsolete national idea bonus list)

Wouldn't it be more visually appealing if this template would use green/red colour for the values? – Lillebror (talk) 09:36, 17 July 2014 (CEST)

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it, though there's very few NIs that would use red coloring. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:30, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
Okay, only green. I would also prefer a little more formatting than a simple list, perhaps a table. Why was the {{template|Unique national idea bonus table}} removed? – Lillebror (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2014 (CEST)
You'd have to ask Evil4Zerggin about that. I'll make him aware of your inquiry. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2014 (CEST)
I just wanted to consolidate things into a single template, the table version being quite bulky. I'll reinstate it if there's demand for it. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2014 (CEST)
Reinstated at [[Template:National idea bonus table]]. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 23:22, 18 July 2014 (CEST)
Sorry, i didn't expect this — Perhaps I had to share my thought also.
Yesterday, I was on the religion page. There are multiple list and tables of bonuses from ideas. Most of them don't use this template. A common style is not recognizable. ...
@Evil4Zerggin: A single template should be sufficient. For me, ideas can be found faster in a table. But tables are narrow and long. I don't like the dots in front of the numbers in a list. My reflections have come to this conclusion:
Advisor cost.png Ideas and Traditions
−33% Colonial Ideas 1: Founding Fathers
−25% Full Innovativeness, Pueblo Traditions
−10% Bohemian Traditions, Byzantine Traditions, Cherokee Traditions, National Traditions, Saxon Traditions, Tibetan Ambitions
Lillebror (talk) 08:09, 19 July 2014 (CEST)
Policies are connected with ideas. They also give bonuses. Integration here or seperate template with the same style? – Lillebror (talk) 08:35, 19 July 2014 (CEST)

Danish Ambition is not a tradition

according to the bonus table, the danish ambition is a tradition.

proof look at combat ability at http://www.eu4wiki.com/Naval_warfare Aldwoni (talk) 16:14, 9 January 2015 (CET)

Corrected. Thanks for reporting – Lillebror (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2015 (CET)

Daimyo traditions

I noticed Daimyo traditions (-20% Cost to fabricate claims.png time to fabricate claims and +25% Spy network construction.png spy offense) were listed as "Sengoku Jidai", which is inconsistent with what's seen in the game, all other national traditions, and even the other Daimyo ideas and ambitions. I took the liberty of changing them to "Daimyo traditions". Thrawcheld (talk) 03:15, 24 March 2015 (CET)

“Sengoku Jidai” is the ingame naming of the daimyo traditions. But your change is okay, as this is an exception from the normal naming. – Lillebror (talk) 08:08, 24 March 2015 (CET)

Fix navy tradition decay

From:

|b= Cypriot ambitions<br>Neapolitan ambitions |b= Candarid ambitions

To:

|b= Candarid ambitions<br>Cypriot ambitions<br>Neapolitan ambitions

Stigni (talk) 14:10, 27 March 2015 (CET)

Fixed – Lillebror (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2015 (CET)

Versioning of template

This seems very strange to me to have a version fixed to the template. Is ti really necessary? Dauth (talk) 23:37, 10 June 2015 (CEST)

The contents of the table have to be changed each version since new ideas are added, and old ideas rebalanced, and so on.
So some sort of versioning is needed to ensure it is actually up to date. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2015 (CEST)

Najd has now +2% missionary strength, not +5%

as above 37.191.145.135 20:38, 26 July 2015 (CEST)

Idea grups and nation specific ideas distinction

Is there any possibility to make ideas (and focuses) that are not nation specific for example bold? I see that their are now listed before nation specific ones, but I think that they could use some more distinction. Or maybe they could be underlined in some other way. Puchacz (talk) 11:28, 2 September 2015 (CEST)

Everything is possible. ;-)
Technology cost.png Traditions Ideas Bonuses Policies
−10.0% Bohemian idea 5: Hussite Legacy
French idea 6: The Philosophes
Lan Xang idea 7: Renaissance of Lan Xang
Manchu idea 2: Manchu Alphabet
Muscovite idea 7: Broaden the curriculum of the Cadet Corps
Semien idea 7: Haskalah
Cherokee ambitions
−5.0% Innovative idea 3: Scientific Revolution
Ashanti idea 2: The Slave Forts
Bengali idea 7: The Bengal Renaissance
Bosnian idea 1: Heretic Teachings
Brazilian idea 2: Research of John of Nassau
Dahomey idea 6: The Yovogan
Dai Viet idea 7: Literary Reform
Full Plutocracy
German ambitions
Mughal ambitions
Tapuian ambitions
Teutonic ambitions
My suggestion: bold with dark gray colour. (without changing the existing sorting) – Lillebror (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2015 (CEST)

Nice, but maybe we can use a bit darker gray? Like for example #4F4F4F?

Technology cost.png Traditions Ideas Bonuses Policies
−10.0% Bohemian idea 5: Hussite Legacy
French idea 6: The Philosophes
Lan Xang idea 7: Renaissance of Lan Xang
Manchu idea 2: Manchu Alphabet
Muscovite idea 7: Broaden the curriculum of the Cadet Corps
Semien idea 7: Haskalah
Cherokee ambitions
−5.0% Innovative idea 3: Scientific Revolution
Ashanti idea 2: The Slave Forts
Bengali idea 7: The Bengal Renaissance
Bosnian idea 1: Heretic Teachings
Brazilian idea 2: Research of John of Nassau
Dahomey idea 6: The Yovogan
Dai Viet idea 7: Literary Reform
Full Plutocracy
German ambitions
Mughal ambitions
Tapuian ambitions
Teutonic ambitions

Puchacz (talk) 13:09, 2 September 2015 (CEST)

As also the policies are non country-specific I would like to change their text format, too. Please take a look at my sandbox for the result. – Lillebror (talk) 09:36, 3 September 2015 (CEST)
Sure, that is a good point. I feel however, that dimgray is a bit to similar to the standard font. Puchacz (talk) 09:43, 3 September 2015 (CEST)
I've chosen this color because its not to flashy (eye catching). Perhaps I should now say: "Shall we meet almost in the middle, at #606060?". Could someone else join this discussion - I prefer dimgray. – Lillebror (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2015 (CEST)
rollout with dimgray – Lillebror (talk) 08:59, 7 September 2015 (CEST)
May I suggest doing this with a CSS class or template? This would make it much easier to add new entries or change the style of all of them, should we decide to do that. Hairy Dude (talk) 15:34, 14 October 2015 (CEST)
That’s a good hint. (Perhaps both: template + CSS class.) – Lillebror (talk) 07:46, 15 October 2015 (CEST)

Expansion with religious bonuses

Any chance of getting the various religious bonus options included in the bonus table? fervor/church power/papacy/etc Might be a pipe dream but had to ask. --Rendiggy (talk) 11:12, 7 September 2015 (CEST)

No, from my point of view. Ideas and policies is a closed thematic area. The tables would be too bulky. – Lillebror (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2015 (CEST)

Galician 'Traditions' -> Ambitions

In the bonus merchants table, Galicia's bonus is under the right column but is written as traditions; it should be ambitions. WizardOfYendor (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2015 (CET)

Thanks. Fixed. – Lillebror (talk) 20:25, 20 November 2015 (CET)

Burgundian traditions are wrong

It's 10% morale not 15%. Someone with permission edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonlysimen (Talk) 16:38, 21 April 2016‎ (CEST)

Thanks. Fixed. – Lillebror (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2016 (CEST)

Native ideas

Are native ideas (the separate ones given to nations in the North and South American tech groups with CoP before reforming their governments) intentionally excluded from the bonus tables? I noticed the bonuses from them don't seem to show up (for instance the +1 colonist idea). I can understand if they're specifically excluded, just curious. (One problem is that there is already a national idea group called "Native Ideas", so they'd need some other name were they to be added…) Philadelphus (talk) 04:50, 3 November 2016 (CET)