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== Sources of Diplomatic Reputation ==
 
== Sources of Diplomatic Reputation ==
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Diplomatic reputation can be increased in a variety of ways, though not all of them are available to Hormuz. For Hormuz, its fourth national idea gives {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, as does having a {{icon|legitimacy}} legitimacy of 100 and a statesman advisor, for a total of 3 able to be amassed relatively easily. Trading in {{icon|ivory}}ivory can provide another {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}} as well, though this will require conquest in Africa. Certain missions can also give a temporary {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, though these are not guaranteed to happen at a useful time. The rest of this guide will leave these two source of diplomatic reputation out of consideration and focus on other guaranteed sources, but they do exist and may useful in the right circumstances.
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Diplomatic reputation can be increased in a variety of ways, though not all of them are available to Hormuz. For Hormuz, its fourth national idea gives {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, as does having a {{icon|legitimacy}} legitimacy of {{green|100}} and a statesman advisor, for a total of 3 able to be amassed relatively easily. Trading in {{icon|ivory}} ivory can provide another {{green|+2}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}} as well, though this will require conquest in Africa. Certain missions can also give a temporary {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, though these are not guaranteed to happen at a useful time. The rest of this guide will leave these two source of diplomatic reputation out of consideration and focus on other guaranteed sources, but they do exist and may useful in the right circumstances.
  
Apart from these sources, the only sources of diplomatic reputation available to Hormuz come from {{icon|idea unlock}} [[Idea_groups|ideas]] and {{icon|policies}} [[policies]]. The fifth idea of both the [[Idea_groups#Diplomatic|Diplomatic]] and [[Idea_groups#Influence|Influence]] idea groups each give {{green|+2}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, and taking both will make it much easier to get the achievement. With the 3 that Hormuz can get relatively easily this brings the total to 7, requiring an additional 3. From here, policies will be required to increase the total higher, but luckily all but one of the polices that give diplomatic reputation require either Influence or Diplomatic ideas, so only the [[Idea_groups#Aristocratic|Aristocratic]]—[[Idea_groups#Exploration|Exploration]] policy ({{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomat}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}}) involves taking extra idea groups.
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Apart from these sources, the only sources of diplomatic reputation available to Hormuz come from {{icon|idea unlock}} [[Idea_groups|ideas]] and {{icon|policies}} [[policies]]. The fifth idea of both the [[Idea_groups#Diplomatic|Diplomatic]] and [[Idea_groups#Influence|Influence]] idea groups each give {{green|+2}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, and taking both will make it much easier to get the achievement. With the 3 that Hormuz can get relatively easily this brings the total to 7, requiring an additional 3. From here, policies will be required to increase the total higher, but luckily all but one of the polices that give diplomatic reputation require either Influence or Diplomatic ideas, so only the [[Idea_groups#Aristocratic|Aristocratic]]—[[Idea_groups#Exploration|Exploration]] policy ({{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomat}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}}) involves taking extra idea groups.
  
 
=== Useful Idea Groups ===
 
=== Useful Idea Groups ===
 
The idea groups that can be taken to give useful polices with Diplomatic or Influence are:
 
The idea groups that can be taken to give useful polices with Diplomatic or Influence are:
 
* {{icon|adm}} Administrative:
 
* {{icon|adm}} Administrative:
** {{icon|expansion}} [[Idea_groups#Expansion|Expansion]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+10%}} {{icon|trade power}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
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** {{icon|expansion}} [[Idea_groups#Expansion|Expansion]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+10%}} {{icon|trade power}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
** {{icon|innovative}} [[Idea_groups#Innovative|Innovative]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|-10%}} {{icon|advisor cost}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
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** {{icon|innovative}} [[Idea_groups#Innovative|Innovative]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|-10%}} {{icon|advisor cost}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
** {{icon|humanist}} [[Idea_groups#Humanist|Humanist]] (with Influence, {{green|+20%}} {{icon|improve relations}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
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** {{icon|humanist}} [[Idea_groups#Humanist|Humanist]] (with Influence, {{green|+20%}} {{icon|improve relations}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
 
* {{icon|mil}} Military:
 
* {{icon|mil}} Military:
** {{icon|offensive}} [[Idea_groups#Offensive|Offensive]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+10%}} {{icon|spy network construction}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|mil}})
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** {{icon|offensive}} [[Idea_groups#Offensive|Offensive]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+10%}} {{icon|spy network construction}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|mil}})
** {{icon|Plutocratic}} [[Idea_groups#Plutocratic|Plutocratic]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+25%}} {{icon|improve relations}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
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** {{icon|Plutocratic}} [[Idea_groups#Plutocratic|Plutocratic]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+25%}} {{icon|improve relations}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|dip}})
** {{icon|quality}} [[Idea_groups#Quality|Quality]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|-25%}} {{icon|envoy travel time}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|mil}})
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** {{icon|quality}} [[Idea_groups#Quality|Quality]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|-25%}} {{icon|envoy travel time}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|mil}})
** {{icon|quantity}} [[Idea_groups#Quantity|Quantity]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+10%}} {{icon|land force limit}}, {{green|+1}}{{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|mil}})
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** {{icon|quantity}} [[Idea_groups#Quantity|Quantity]] (with Diplomatic, {{green|+10%}} {{icon|land force limit}} & {{green|+1}} {{icon|diplomatic reputation}}, requires {{icon|mil}})
  
 
It is generally a good idea to balance idea groups taken between the three categories to help balance technology and minimize corruption, so (at least) three additional idea groups will need to be taken from the above list (it may be easier in some cases to simply take a fourth one to make up for not having 100 {{icon|legitimacy}} legitimacy, being unable to find a statesman advisor, or simply because it is more useful at that point in the game). Activating policies early before having 10 total diplomatic reputation can be useful for the bonuses they provide, but will slow down monarch power generation and delay taking future ideas. It may be preferable to wait to activate them all together once the necessary diplomatic reputation is available.
 
It is generally a good idea to balance idea groups taken between the three categories to help balance technology and minimize corruption, so (at least) three additional idea groups will need to be taken from the above list (it may be easier in some cases to simply take a fourth one to make up for not having 100 {{icon|legitimacy}} legitimacy, being unable to find a statesman advisor, or simply because it is more useful at that point in the game). Activating policies early before having 10 total diplomatic reputation can be useful for the bonuses they provide, but will slow down monarch power generation and delay taking future ideas. It may be preferable to wait to activate them all together once the necessary diplomatic reputation is available.

Revision as of 07:25, 29 November 2016

Strait Talk
Strait Talk.jpg
Possible if
The player’s country:
Achieved if

Not playing as a released vassal.
The player’s country:

  • is Flag of Hormuz Hormuz.
  • has a Diplomatic reputation.pngdiplomatic reputation of at least 10.

The Strait Talk achievement requires starting as Flag of Hormuz Hormuz and having a total of at least 10 Diplomatic reputation.png diplomatic reputation.

Hormuz Start Position

Hormuz begins in a difficult position in control of a single province located between the Flag of Timurids Timurids to the north and Flag of Oman Oman to the south, with two cores (the provinces Bahrain and Qatar) under the control of Flag of Haasa Haasa at the beginning of the game. Haasa, Oman, Flag of Baluchistan Baluchistan, and Flag of Najd Najd are all potential starting rivals. Flag of Shammar Shammar will usually accept an alliance immediately, while Flag of Yemen Yemen will usually do so after having relations improved. The Timurids are hostile, but will not usually bother attacking Hormuz; Oman is by far the greater threat, as they are stronger than Hormuz and almost always ally Flag of Hejaz Hejaz, making an alliance capable of challenging the combined forces of Hormuz, Yemen, and Shammar without careful play. Hormuz usually gets a mission at the start of the game to claim the Omani province due south.

Expansion is not actually necessary to attain this achievement, a relatively easy way to get it is to build up the navy to the point that none of Hormuz's neighbours can challenge it in the Persian Gulf. At this point it would be best to get rid of your army and your allies, as they can only lose you warscore. All that's left to do is develop Hormuz and wait until the necessary idea groups are unlocked for the achievement.

Sources of Diplomatic Reputation

Diplomatic reputation can be increased in a variety of ways, though not all of them are available to Hormuz. For Hormuz, its fourth national idea gives +1Diplomatic reputation.png, as does having a Legitimacy.png legitimacy of 100 and a statesman advisor, for a total of 3 able to be amassed relatively easily. Trading in Ivory.png ivory can provide another +2 Diplomatic reputation.png as well, though this will require conquest in Africa. Certain missions can also give a temporary +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, though these are not guaranteed to happen at a useful time. The rest of this guide will leave these two source of diplomatic reputation out of consideration and focus on other guaranteed sources, but they do exist and may useful in the right circumstances.

Apart from these sources, the only sources of diplomatic reputation available to Hormuz come from Idea unlock ideas and Policies.png policies. The fifth idea of both the Diplomatic and Influence idea groups each give +2 Diplomatic reputation.png, and taking both will make it much easier to get the achievement. With the 3 that Hormuz can get relatively easily this brings the total to 7, requiring an additional 3. From here, policies will be required to increase the total higher, but luckily all but one of the polices that give diplomatic reputation require either Influence or Diplomatic ideas, so only the AristocraticExploration policy (+1 Diplomat.png, +1Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Diplomatic power.png) involves taking extra idea groups.

Useful Idea Groups

The idea groups that can be taken to give useful polices with Diplomatic or Influence are:

  • Administrative power.png Administrative:
    • Expansion idea group.png Expansion (with Diplomatic, +10% Trade power.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Diplomatic power.png)
    • Innovative idea group.png Innovative (with Diplomatic, -10% Advisor cost.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Diplomatic power.png)
    • Humanist idea group.png Humanist (with Influence, +20% Improve relations.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Diplomatic power.png)
  • Military power.png Military:
    • Offensive idea group.png Offensive (with Diplomatic, +10% Spy network construction.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Military power.png)
    • Plutocratic idea group.png Plutocratic (with Diplomatic, +25% Improve relations.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Diplomatic power.png)
    • Quality idea group.png Quality (with Diplomatic, -25% Envoy travel time.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Military power.png)
    • Quantity idea group.png Quantity (with Diplomatic, +10% Land forcelimit.png & +1 Diplomatic reputation.png, requires Military power.png)

It is generally a good idea to balance idea groups taken between the three categories to help balance technology and minimize corruption, so (at least) three additional idea groups will need to be taken from the above list (it may be easier in some cases to simply take a fourth one to make up for not having 100 Legitimacy.png legitimacy, being unable to find a statesman advisor, or simply because it is more useful at that point in the game). Activating policies early before having 10 total diplomatic reputation can be useful for the bonuses they provide, but will slow down monarch power generation and delay taking future ideas. It may be preferable to wait to activate them all together once the necessary diplomatic reputation is available.

The main challenge of this achievement comes from staying alive as Hormuz long enough to take enough idea groups to get the necessary 10 diplomatic reputation. If survival can be achieved, then the achievement is mostly a matter of waiting for the monarch power to take the appropriate ideas.

A minor note: overextension and annexing vassals both give a negative penalty to diplomatic reputation, and may delay getting the achievement even if Hormuz has a gross total of +10 otherwise. In the case of overextension, coring all uncored provinces will remove the penalty; the -3 Diplomatic reputation.png penalty from annexing a vassal will go away after 10 years.

The Exodus Strategy

First Steps

Hormuz's position in the Middle East is very tenuous, and it can be difficult to survive the fighting going on in Arabia long enough to get the achievement. For those who merely wish to survive without fighting for their life at every turn, colonization provides a possible solution. Immediately setting the national focus to Administrative power.png administrative (with either the Res Publica.pngRes Publica or Common Sense.pngCommon Sense DLCs enabled), then avoiding spending diplomatic points until Administrative Tech 5 is reached should allow the Exploration idea group and its first three ideas to be taken immediately if the starting 2/4/2 leader does not die. During this time period wars should be avoided and as much money saved up as possible on Hormuz's meager income. Even with the +50% Colonial range.png colonial range from the third Exploration idea there are no provinces in colonizing range, but hiring a navigator advisor (easier to get with Common Sense.pngCommon Sense's advisor retiring, but not necessary) for an additional +20% Colonial range.png will allow colonization of Mahe in the Indian Ocean. Taking the native repression policy for the +20 Global settler increase.png global settler increase will help speed up the colonization of the province, as Hormuz can easily defeat any native uprisings on Mahe with a force of one or two regiments.

Branching Out

Once Mahe is colonized, several options open up. The islands of Mauritius and Île Bourbon are now both in range, and both have 11 development and few or no natives. Taking them both gives Hormuz a solid base to continue colonizing from even if the original province of Hormuz is lost, and Île Bourbon is also in range to allow fabrication on provinces in Madagascar if expansion there is desired. From here, Hormuz can go either east or west; it's possible to reach the African mainland from here, colonize the South African region long before any Europeans get there, and take a cut of the trade passing through. (This can also allow Hormuz to conquer up the eastern African coast and gain the trading bonus for Ivory.pngivory.) It's also possible to colonize eastwards, using Diego Garcia and Cocos Island as stepping stones, and begin colonizing the rich provinces of the East Indies, again long before anyone else shows up to compete. It's even possible to establish a colonial nation in Australia or New Zealand if desired. The downside of colonizing the East Indies is that eventually the Europeans will show up and start wars for Hormuz's provinces, but it's possible (though not necessarily easy) to hold them off with the aid of allies in the region. (South Africa, by contrast, doesn't seem to inspire as much imperialist aggression except by neighboring African nations.) At some point in this process it may be useful to take the decision to accept cultural shift, since there will be no Bedouin provinces to colonize.

Since Hormuz already has Exploration, it may be beneficial to take Aristocratic in order to get the policy with it. Sending a Conquistador to explore the New World can also give useful rewards, and it may even be possible to colonize in the New World. (The only downside is that colonies there won't provide any useful trade to Hormuz unless it also colonizes up the west side of Africa into the Ivory Coast node.) Alternatively, the Exploration group can be abandoned when Hormuz is finished colonizing if the Art of War.pngArt of War DLC is enabled, allowing another idea group to be taken in its place.

Spread out around the Indian Ocean, Hormuz should be in a safe enough position to survive long enough to build up the necessary diplomatic reputation to get the achievement.

Very easy -
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Medium Core-fu For Odin! Lessons of Hemmingstedt Neither Holy, Nor German Rekindling the Flames The Bohemians The Burgundian Conquest The Uncommonwealth Victorian Three
Hard Anglophile Back to the Piast Baltic Crusader Dar al-Islam Holy Trinity Kinslayer Lucky Lucca Prester John Terra Mariana The Sun Never Sets on the Indian Empire
Very hard A Sun God Albania or Iberia Big Blue Blob Foremost Servitor of Jagannath The Fezzan Corridors The Great Khan
Insane -