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Unnecessary Pages

Sorry for creating unnecessary pages, I didn't see the recent changes. Medibee (talk) 02:52, 10 July 2013 (CEST)

General rule to organization: Look at the CKII Wiki, it is the best of the wikis ;) ~ Meneth (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2013 (CEST)

I'm beginning to wonder if the number of redirects is too damn high! I'm chipping away at the list of common searches which have no page associated with them. My modus operandi is that when I come across sentences that has been broken up, for example the "Scorch", "Scorched" and "Scorched earth" I choose to add the final complete sentence, since auto-complete will show that sentence when one starts typing in the search box. However, take for example the letter "V", auto-complete will dropdown a list of 10 words, of which 9 leads to the Vassal page. Another example is "Spy defence" and "Spy defense" (which I'm the culprit of), when the user starts typing "spy def" both will come up and lead to the same page. I wonder if some cleaning should be done...

Redirects are rather important. Though the sorting of the suggestions dropdown could definitely be better, the server can't really handle the CPU hit right now. The number of redirects should definitely not be reduced. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:18, 29 November 2013 (CET)
Redirects for individual provinces are unnecessary though. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2013 (CET)

I'd like to commend you on making sure the wiki is well-organized---I was looking at HoI3Wiki which I worked on more back in the day, and it's a huge mess compared to this one. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 03:26, 8 March 2014 (CET)

Sofala

Hello Meneth,

I saw you deleted Sofala as country as you said it didn't exists.

When I go to the map: Steam\steamapps\common\Europa Universalis IV\common\countries on my computer. I find a file named: Sofala.txt Isn't that prove it exists?

They're named Segu in the game. I'll set up a redirect from Sofala to Segu. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:04, 25 November 2013 (CET)

Now Sofala exists, so we need to change the redirect?

Yes, it'll need an entry of its own on the Sub-Saharan Africa page. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:43, 14 January 2014 (CET)

paradox Wikis

Hello Meneth,

Wouldn't the front page be better if the Paradox Wiki Logo was at the Left of all other wikis instead of above, then scrolling is less needed in my opinion.

Will there come a Runemaster Wiki?

Aldwoni (talk)

I'm not quite sure what you mean about the logo. Could you illustrate what you mean with an image?
Yes, there will be a Runemaster Wiki. It currently exists at http://www.rune.ckiiwiki.com/Runemaster_Wiki, but isn't yet ready to be properly launched. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:40, 2 February 2014 (CET)
example:
Homepage.png
I will wait then
I see what you mean. However, a design like that would be too wide for a lot of devices, especially mobile devices. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:57, 2 February 2014 (CET)
(1) Please remove the text links on that page, they're just ugly. (2) Doing layouts who automatically adapt to whatever resolution / device type the viewing device has isn't that difficult anymore (even works w/o javascript). If you're interested, doing that for this specific page would take me ~30min Shierholzer (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2014 (CEST)
(1)Hmm. I think you're right. Done. (2) I'd love to see what you could come up with. JavaScript or not isn't much of an issue, as long as it breaks gracefully. The Google Analytics rely on JS for example, but JS being off simply means they can't report anything. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2014 (CEST)

Cultural Events

Hi there. I've put together the Cultural Events and prettified them with beautiful colors and whatnot :P Anyways, have look here http://www.eu4wiki.com/User:John69Doe/CulturalEvents and see for yourself. What I would like to know is if the use of icons for advisors, buildings and idea groups can be used inline(they are rather large), but most importantly if you have any information regarding the red parts on the Way Of the Tea event, I've got no clue. John69Doe (talk) 02:40, 9 February 2014 (CET)

I don't think using icons that are that big inline works all that well, so keep it limited to the icons that actually look good at 28px.
As to the red parts, here's relevant bits from my parser: "trading_part: Controls at least %s%% of the %s market" (%s%% means x%)
"trade_value_modifier: %s%% trade value" ~ Meneth (talk) 13:16, 9 February 2014 (CET)
Fired the event in-game and the 'trading_part' is described as "Has access to 20% of the world Tea market". Is there a difference between having access and controlling a trade good? For the "trading in bonus" you need to control, example: if all tea in the world is produced in Nippon trade node only, then having 20% of trade power in that node would yield the bonus. Extending the previous example, "having access" sounds more like owning a province(must produce tea?) or placing a merchant in Nippon should suffice for fulfilling the requirement... But I don't know.John69Doe (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2014 (CET)
I'm relatively sure they simply mean that your merchants control that much, I think. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2014 (CET)


I've added the page and linked to it from the Events page. How can I delete the "workboard" page I created when fiddling with it? Can be found here: http://www.eu4wiki.com/User:John69Doe/CulturalEvents John69Doe (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2014 (CET)

Deleted. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:43, 9 February 2014 (CET)

Parser Awesomeness

Hi Meneth! I just saw that you replaced large chunks of painstakingly copy-pasta efforts on my part with what I presume is a parser you've gotten your hands on (it wen't too quick for you, assuming you're not a bot). I was just thinking that to myself, if I were gonna do more of these copy-pasta frenzies I should just put a program together. Anyways. Where can I too find this lovely tool? --John69Doe (talk) 00:06, 4 May 2014 (CEST)

Project:Parser. Definitely not a bot. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2014 (CEST)
That's what they all say... --• General Baker Flag of Great Britain (Talk) • 13:30, 6 May 2014 (CEST)


Are you using a custom script for generating the Policies table? If so we'd need an update as 1.7 brought 3 new idea groups... else I'll just handcraft my way through it :) --TheDecider (talk) 23:30, 18 July 2014 (CEST)

I did that manually (someone else got the raw data, but I handled the style). So there's no easy way to extend do it, no. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:31, 18 July 2014 (CEST)
I tinkered with a copy of the parser-file during the night and made it churn out a file with all possible combinations and which power point type the decision uses into a list. Made me learn some Python just for this :P If you want the code I could upload it somewhere here if you'd like to include it in the project. --TheDecider (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2014 (CEST)

Contest

Does replacing flags with vectorized versions qualify for a raffle ticket? Shierholzer (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2014 (CEST)

The wiki currently doesn't support .svg files. Or do you mean replacing 192x128 flags with 800x533 flags upscaled via vectorization? If so, that's fine as long as it looks good. It's how I did File:Mongolia.png actually, and a few other flags. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2014 (CEST)
I had svg in mind. Any specific reason why? Afaik MediaWiki supports them natively (given the wiki isn't running on a shared host without renderer). Shierholzer (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2014 (CEST)
"given the wiki isn't running on a shared host without renderer" ding ding. The wiki network runs on shared hosting, so setting svg support up is a bitch. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:41, 31 May 2014 (CEST)

Rough guide about adding provinces added.

Although it still needs some work I think I did a pretty good job :D

I'll probably be contributing to it a bit more over the next few days, or perhaps different tutorials.

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Map_modding#How_to_add_a_province_.28Windows.29

Nice stuff. Gave you four tickets. Looking forward to your future contributions. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:26, 31 May 2014 (CEST)

File:Religion.PNG not updating

Hi Meneth. Last night I uploaded an updated version of File:Religion.PNG but for some reason it won't display the new uploaded file and still displays the old version. (I also tried clearing the browser cache and reloading the page. Still the old image. Maybe you can get it to work. Here is the new file: [[1]] Freedomsaver (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2014 (CEST)

See what I wrote on the file's talk page. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2014 (CEST)

Rough guide for editing provinces (Mac) added

Map_modding#How_to_add_a_province_.28Mac.29

Based on the existing guide for Windows, but has some relatively major changes to the guide.

See my comment on it's talk page; merging the two would help a lot (and will get you more tickets). ~ Meneth (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2014 (CEST)
I just combined the two. --Gbear605 (talk) 20:40, 31 May 2014 (CEST)
Thanks! Giving you three tickets, since I gave the guy who created the original guide four. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2014 (CEST)

Edited Holy Roman Empire

Mostly grammatical errors and factual errors fixed. More coming tomorrow. Cheers. Armistice (talk) 04:04, 1 June 2014 (CEST)

Giving you a ticket, and you're very close to earning another. Looking forward to seeing more from you. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:00, 1 June 2014 (CEST)

AWB Typo Fixing

I just finished sweeping through all (main space) pages with AWB. There were a few typos or grammatical errors that I assumed were to be kept verbatim on some pages, such as patch notes and event triggers, but I wasn't too sure on the latter. If you have anything you want me to run through AWB (like a find and replace), let me know. -- Bovell (talk) 21:22, 2 June 2014 (CEST)

Feel free to fix issues in the patch notes too. Paradox should just proofread better. Feel free to fix event triggers too, yeah. Anyway, have another 6 tickets. ~ Meneth (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2014 (CEST)

Defining Trade Company

Currently we have a manufactory called 'Trade Company' which is where Trade Company links (capital C). 'Trade company' (small C) is however linked to this page see( Trade company ). Trade Companies/companies (plural form) links to the WoN trade company subject. It is mildly confusing :) So how should we have it? A disambiguation for Trade Company, having links to both the building and trade companies page?

In this case, the user will want the WoN trade company 90% of the time. So a hatnote on that page would be the most logical. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:44, 3 June 2014 (CEST)
I want to point out that there is a third “trade company”, the Indian trade company. – Lillebror (talk) 12:10, 3 June 2014 (CEST)

Marathas ideas

Well, I've checked several times Indian states, like Maratha, and their National Ideas don't appear in my files of National Ideas (zz_group_ideas.txt), nor in game. Maybe it's a bug on my side. If this is the case, could you please send me your zz_group_ideas.txt in order to cross-check ?

Best!

In the War of the Spanish Succession bookmark Marathas exists and has Marathi ideas. The group is in 00_country_ideas.txt now. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:55, 3 June 2014 (CEST)

Ok. Maybe could it be more consistent to move Marathas Ideas into National Ideas instead of Group Ideas.

It is shared with a few other nations, so it is a group idea. No idea why they moved it. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2014 (CEST)

Potential main page revamp

You might have noticed already, but I was testing out a new layout for the main page such that the left side isn't as cramped. Most of it is just to get a feel for general placement—it's mostly hamfisted copy-editing—but I think it is close to what I envisioned. I also put quick links to some of the most queried pages that visitors might want to get to. For the most part I think it aims for space efficiency, and directing people toward the pages they are looking for. You or anyone else are welcome to edit it, and any feedback would be appreciated. -- Bovell (talk) 23:36, 3 June 2014 (CEST)

An issue I see with your design is that it doesn't work all that well at lower resolutions. The current design starts to get weird somewhere below 1000px of width, while yours starts formatting strangely around 1400px, so on most laptop screens (1366x768) it won't look good. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:39, 3 June 2014 (CEST)
Hmmmm, I am using a 1080p monitor so that obviously is going to skew the perspective. For me at least, the important pages on the current design are still quite squished, which is why I wanted to highlight a few of the most visited pages and then provide the more general table of contents below. -- Bovell (talk) 00:07, 4 June 2014 (CEST)
They're rather compact in the current design, but I don't think calling them squished would be quite accurate. The idea is that almost everything important should be available from the sidebar there, and to achieve that it has to be pretty compact if it is to stay on the screen even on smaller monitors. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2014 (CEST)

Prussia

Edited a few things here and there, took out a section on discipline since it was very outdated.

I've given you a raffle ticket for that. BTW, on Talk pages (like this one) make sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). ~ Meneth (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2014 (CEST)

HRE

Edited the Holy Roman Empire page a bit as well, hoping to work on it some more later, I need to refresh my memory and maybe get up to date.

Ckalaycioglu (talk) 23:15, 5 June 2014 (CEST)

Austria

My last edit for the night. The nation I play with the most often. I will work more on this article as well.

Ckalaycioglu (talk) 23:34, 5 June 2014 (CEST)

Russia

Being Russian myself, I play it frequently in most games (EU4, Civ 5) and added a few interesting ways to play it such as colonialism and mercantilism.--goralt123 (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2014 (CEST)

Also plan on rewriting the events and missions, very disorganized. goralt123 (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2014 (CEST)

Gave you two tickets. Looking forward to your future contributions. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2014 (CEST)

Iroquois

Added a strategy guide to the Iroqouis, played as them once. goralt123 (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2014 (CEST)

I get email alerts. You only need to tell me about your edits if it seems I've skipped over them. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2014 (CEST)

Mass typo editing/rewording

Been running through a few articles and correcting typos & punctuation errors and rewording everything that sounds awkward. Does that sorta thing count for raffle tickets? Thanks in advance. AllenY (talk) 16:10, 14 June 2014 (CEST)

It does. You've gotten 7 tickets so far, some of them for those minor fixes. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:11, 14 June 2014 (CEST)
Just noticed; it was at 5 when I posted that, but it appears my internet wasn't fast enough. Thanks. AllenY (talk) 16:20, 14 June 2014 (CEST)

Strategy Guide for Orissa

I just made a strategy guide for Orissa and I am unsure whether I am too late or not for getting tickets for the contest. Thanks. DarthRacerF1

Had you been 50 minutes later it'd have been too late. You were just in time, and I've given you three tickets. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2014 (CEST)


Start date on the country description list

Hi it's the guy who added the column. Just wondering why it was taken down. It would have helped me immensely if the correct start date was right there.

The reason is that the list is generated by my Parser, so any edits to it are overwritten each time I update it (usually after each major patch). Sadly existence cannot be parsed purely from the country history file, so there's not really any good way for my parser to figure out start dates. ~ Meneth (talk) 01:17, 2 July 2014 (CEST)
Ah, I see. Thanks for the quick response.

How to edit a bonus table

There are a few obvious mistakes in some bonus tables, but I dunno how to edit them. Help.

Add a note at Template talk:Bonus table, and me or a half-op will fix it. Oh and please sign talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~). ~ Meneth (talk) 11:24, 6 October 2014 (CEST)
I think/hope that there are no mistakes in the template. The template lists only the bonuses from ideas and policies. If they do not affect an effect (e.g. heavy ship cost) it's not possible to create a bonus table. – Lillebror (talk) 11:51, 6 October 2014 (CEST)

Relation modifiers - capitalization standards

The relation modifiers at Relations#List of modifiers were entered as they appeared in game. I knew that Project:Style stated that the name of a game mechanic is not a proper noun, but does that include the name of a game mechanic variable too? I ask because it appears that the developers are treating all these variables as proper nouns for the in-game tooltips, perhaps to remind players that the text they are reading is not merely descriptive but refers to some specific variable being tracked by the game. Vyn (talk) 22:31, 9 October 2014 (CEST)

As a general rule, something should only be capitalized fully if it is an actual name. I don't consider game mechanics to be names, thus "royal marriage" rather than "Royal Marriage".
The in-game capitalization itself isn't a good guide, as it tends to fully capitalize nearly everything, and is inconsistent. Example of inconsistency:
WAR_OVERVIEW_ENEMY_LIGHTSHIPS: "The enemy has $NUM|Y$ light ships." vs. ECOVIEW_MAINT_TP_PENALTY: "Light Ship Trade Power: $VAL$".
Inconsistencies like this are common, and I feel the best way to avoid these is to consistently not capitalize anything other than names. What is and isn't a game-mechanic should always be apparent from context, and by avoiding capitalization we avoid things like "You need 2+ Stability to enact this decision", which is more reminiscent of German capitalization standards than English. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:38, 9 October 2014 (CEST)
That seems reasonable. I will ignore the in-game tooltip's capitalization scheme then. Vyn (talk) 23:24, 9 October 2014 (CEST)

Gimme the link of the unit pip comparison graph plz

Quote: There's really simply too much info at once to be useful. A better comparison is a graph, and we've already got that.

Gimme the link of the graph plz. Thanks--kongzheng (talk) 16:25, 10 October 2014 (CEST)

There's various charts in Category:Charts, including pip charts. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:26, 10 October 2014 (CEST)

How can I edit trade node webpage

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Trade_nodes

I can't find a "edit" link on this page.--kongzheng (talk) 05:48, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

You find this edit link as usual at the top of a page on the right side. – Lillebror (talk) 06:13, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

Sidebar links

Hi Meneth,

it is possible to change the default namespace from the RecentChanges link from ‘all' to ‘(Main)'? A second point, I'm missing the SpecialPages link when I'm not logged in. Was there never a link or isn't it there since the new server? – Lillebror (talk) 11:36, 17 October 2014 (CEST)

I can't find any way to change the default namespace, sorry. Though I'd recommend enabling "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" in your preferences; that'll make it a lot more compact.
The toolbox is deliberately disabled for logged out users as it isn't all that relevant to non-editors. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:41, 17 October 2014 (CEST)

"List of provinces" page is finished, plz check.

It took me about a month to add TN info in this page. Really interesting work for me.--kongzheng (talk) 04:11, 21 October 2014 (CEST)

Looks fine to me. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:17, 21 October 2014 (CEST)

Adding the capital info in country page is useful.

Because it helps wiki visitors to have quick knowledge of the province ID and continent info of capitals, they don't have to go to the list of provinces page to search for relevant info.

Am I right?--kongzheng (talk) 16:20, 21 October 2014 (CEST)

The country table is generated by a program I wrote. Thus any edits to it will be overwritten when I regenerate it once 1.8 is out. So adding info to it is pointless. I'll consider making my program add the capital, though. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2014 (CEST)
Can I have your email? So I can send my backup excel file of list to you? Hope it helps to save your time and efforts. --kongzheng (talk) 16:30, 21 October 2014 (CEST)
My program grabs the info directly from the game files, so I don't think that'd help. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:31, 21 October 2014 (CEST)

Questions about the contest and flags

I have just a few questions about the upcoming contest:

1) It mentioned that any work done between the release of Wealth of Nations and the contest end would count for tickets. However, this late towards the update should we refrain from updating pages that will just have to be re-updated? 2) Referencing above question, would we not get tickets for the above scenario; hence we should just wait until the 30th for Art of War.

And one question about updating flags: 1) When one is changing the flags;

  1.What format do you want them in?
  2. What do you want the dpi to be?, or does it not matter?
  3. Where do you want them uploaded to?

Thanks,

    carterup
1) It is meant to say Art of War. Will fix.
2) Yes.
Flags: PNG. DPI doesn't matter, just resolution (and not being a blurry mess, of course). Uploaded so as to replace whatever flag is already there. E.G., one might replace File:Armenia.png with a 800x533 version. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:13, 22 October 2014 (CEST)

Template for listing positive and negative reasons that influence AI decisions

Does this wiki have an existing template for listing positive and negative reasons that influence AI decisions? I can whip up a basic template if there isn't one already. Vyn (talk) 10:43, 25 October 2014 (CEST)

Don't think so, no. What are you imagining a template like that would be like? ~ Meneth (talk) 13:17, 25 October 2014 (CEST)
Nothing fancy at this point, probably just a plain table for now in fact. If icons are to be added at some point for common factors however (e.g. for attitudes, trust, opinion, etc.), it may be prudent to just put everything in a template to begin with. On the other hand, templates can sacrifice a bit of transparency and dissuade editors from making casual changes, so it could be equally reasonable to delay their implementation. Now that I think about it, I'm starting to get a bit lazy, so perhaps I'll hold off on using a template for now. Vyn (talk) 20:08, 25 October 2014 (CEST)
The biggest question is, what advantage would a template give over just using wiki-tables? Templates are extremely useful for reducing the amount of writing that's needed, but it doesn't look like it'd cause much of a reduction in this case. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2014 (CEST)
It's the counting of the colspan and rowspan, as well as repetitive use of icons that can be annoying. I'll think about putting up a template if it really starts bothering me. Vyn (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2014 (CEST)

Edits to Japan Page

Meneth,

I'm sorry I had to undo your revision to the Hosokawa guide section, but I could not undo the previous revision without undoing it first. I would appreciate it if you would let me undo both again to restore the guide to a better condition. -- Anonymous

Discuss it on the article's talk page, please. BTW, that's not how the undo mechanic works (it's a bit weird and hard to understand; I wish Mediawiki would make it easier to use). ~ Meneth (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2014 (CEST)

Region map

Do we have a region map somewhere on the wiki for Regions? Perhaps one in the style of Media:Continent_map.png? I ask because it might be helpful in understanding certain mission requirements. For example, Castile/Spain has missions that grant colonial enthusiasm for discovering the Caribbean or Spanish Main, but only when they are undiscovered and within colonial range. Thus by the time a player could see these regions in game, they would already fail to meet the mission requirements, making it important to have some prior meta knowledge. Regions also affect some other things such as the wants your provinces opinion modifier, so a region map could be a useful addition to the wiki I think. Vyn (talk) 02:50, 28 October 2014 (CET)

No. Noticed this lack, too. I don't know if it is possible to create a worldmap of regions at all, because the regions overlap, partially several times. Should one create maps for every single regions instead? – Lillebror (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2014 (CET)
What Lillebror said. I'm not sure to what extent a region map would really be doable. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:49, 28 October 2014 (CET)

Shouldn't Generic Ideas countries have their own page?

Hi Meneth, Since AOW introduces a LOT OF countries with unique NIs and many new NI groups, there will be probably less Generics than Unique countries. Thus I think a page with a list of all Generic Ideas countries could be very useful both for modding and development purposes.

Dozens of new countries are added in AOW, usually with very exotic - sounding names, and it is now much less obvious which of them have unique NIs and which have boring GIs.

Also as I said, one big list of remaining Generic countries could be very useful for any modder wishing to give them unique NIs, or for users wishing to ask Paradox to put these 100 Generics into 8 - 10 big NI groups.


Anyway, I think it could be really useful. If you think it would be too much work - I can create one big 'all GI nations' page on my own.

What do you think about that?

It is possible that the regional pages like Italian peninsula will get merged to some extent as more countries become unique. Currently, those pages only list countries with either generic or group ideas, so if that continues to be the criteria, then you'll be able to use those pages to find generic countries. ~ Meneth (talk) 17:17, 29 October 2014 (CET)

Format help

I have no idea what is going on with the formatting on Culture could you give it a look? my wiki-fu is rusty :/ Christopholes (talk) 22:28, 30 October 2014 (CET)

What happened is that you added further columns to the table rather than redistributing what's on each row. I've fixed it now so there's consistently 5 groups per row. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:32, 30 October 2014 (CET)
Thank you. They've added so many new culture groups and I'm going to try and get that section 1.8 version before I crash. Christopholes (talk) 22:33, 30 October 2014 (CET)
Nice work so far. Leave a comment here when you're done and I'll give you some tickets. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2014 (CET)
It is done, still needs format help but all the new cultures/culture groups are there :) Christopholes (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2014 (CET)
I've cleaned up the formatting and given you four tickets. Thanks for adding all the new cultures and groups! ~ Meneth (talk) 23:54, 30 October 2014 (CET)

Trade goods

Should I get rid of all outdated info or move the put outdated to a new page? Christopholes (talk) 00:25, 31 October 2014 (CET)

Anything that's completely obsolete (E.G., supply/demand) should be removed. Anything that's only somewhat wrong should be kept until it can be updated, as long as it isn't actively misleading. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:29, 31 October 2014 (CET)

really hope I can join the Oct. 2014 EU4wiki contest

I am still in my 1.73 EU4 Takeda campaign which will take me about 1-2 months to finish. As soon as I finish my 1.73 campaign, I will choose a trade-focused nation and start a 1.8 AOW campaign. Hope I can help in 1.8 EU4 wiki editing.--kongzheng (talk) 06:57, 31 October 2014 (CET)

The contest ends on the 15th of November, so as long as you can edit before then you're in the running. Any help after that is appreciated still, but won't put you in the contest. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:30, 31 October 2014 (CET)

Achievements page

Hi! While playing, your wiki has helped me a lot and when I saw the contest I realized this is a wiki and I can actually do something to help, so that's what I intend to be doing. I recently added the new "Art of War" achievements to the achievements page and added a disambiguation about Marches, linking it to the Buildings site and the Vassals site, since I linked one of the achievement description to it. Not sure if info on Marches should be contained on the Vassals page or on a page of its own though. EU4 is one of my favorite games, so I hope I can contribute. I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to wiki editing, but being a cs student helps hopefully haha. Anyway, hope I can get some tickets for my contribution so far. Thanks! Frankenwolf (talk) 12:00, 31 October 2014 (CET)

Nice work so far. I've given you five tickets for the edits and uploads you've done. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:59, 31 October 2014 (CET)

How to make new country pages?

I wanted to make some new separate pages for some of the countries that are currently classified as generic but now have unique NI's with 1.8 (Ajuuraan etc.) but I am not sure how I could go about starting this (is there a 'new page' option anywhere). Also are there any templates available to help create them and how would I add in the flags for them. Thanks, DarthRacerF1.

Search for the country in question (or click on a link to it on the country list or similar). If that redirects you, then click the link at the top of the page you arrived at (it'll say "redirected from <country>". That'll take you to the actual page, which you can then edit as you see fit. You can then copy the templates from another country page and fill it out with the correct info. The national ideas you can simply copy from the national ideas page. Oh and sign talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~) ~ Meneth (talk) 15:57, 31 October 2014 (CET)

Strategy Guide and Raffle Tickets

Hello. I have added a strategy guide into the Theodoro page here on the wiki, and I only received one raffle ticket, when the "Earning Tickets" description states doing something such as creating a strategy guide is usually two or more. I don't know if you missed that, but if you could explain, thanks.

It was pretty short, and Theodoro already had the beginnings of a guide. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:06, 3 November 2014 (CET)

Spelling mistakes

Fixed some spelling mistakes on the Sweden is not overpowered! strategy article, and the rules state to post about it here. Oops, forgot to sign the above...TheWinner (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2014 (CET)

Anyways, quick question: Would you rather any events pages be updated like the Swedish ones, or like your parser ones? I'm partial towards the parser- less work :p TheWinner (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2014 (CET)
The good way to do it is to first run my parser so you've got a starting point, then templatify that. Reduces the work massively compared to doing it manually, while still ending up with a fancy-looking end result. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:48, 4 November 2014 (CET)
Yeah, that's what I went with, much thanks. Soo, two other questions...: 1. How does one update bonus tables? { {bonus table|global settler increase} } is out of date, was updating the colonization page and noticed it's a bit out of date. 2. Is there another page to ask fairly random and short questions such as these? Rather not bother 1 specific person when I've a question.TheWinner (talk) 23:33, 4 November 2014 (CET)
You'd probably have to update it manually. Evil has a parser of some sort, but I'm not sure how well that works. You could come on IRC and ask him about it, I suppose.
For questions you could ask on IRC, ask here, or ask on the relevant talk page. It's my job to deal with this stuff though, so no need to feel bad about bothering me. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:43, 4 November 2014 (CET)
What exactly is out of date in the {{bonus table}} for ‘global settler increase’? I check it several times now and cannot find what should be wrong. – Lillebror (talk) 08:06, 5 November 2014 (CET)
Oops, seems like I didn't check into things too much. I was using Notepad++ to search multiple files, and counted the instances that "growth" appears, then compared them to the template. "garrison_growth" also shows up though, which I didn't realize. Oh well, still useful info, thanks anyways. TheWinner (talk) 18:37, 5 November 2014 (CET)

Fixed a good few spelling mistakes on the Milan strategy page as well as translating some names to English+neatened up a few things TheWinner (talk) 15:40, 11 November 2014 (CET)

General comment on the Wiki

Hi Meneth, thanks for all the work you do on the wiki. I would just like to say, however, that I feel it is a pity that this wiki is full of lists and dime-a-dozen strategy guides while pages covering core gameplay mechanics go neglected. It's naturally your decision to make and of course you can't just change the conditions of the running contest but if you have another contest I would strongly encourage you to give tickets only for core content and not for transient information that is of no use whatsoever to experienced players.

Also, please consider revealing the location of your super-secret IRC server, as I dislike Webchats. Mgoetze (talk) 04:12, 3 November 2014 (CET)

Perhaps. Will have to see what the next patch focuses on. There are plenty of tickets to be earned by editing core content though, but I imagine it might be easier to earn the same tickets earning less important stuff. I've tried to focus most of the ticket generation on getting stuff updated though, which seems to have succeeded nicely.
The webchat location is listed in the webchat instructions. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:12, 3 November 2014 (CET)

Strategy guides can be pretty useful to new players. EU4 is a rather intimidating game for those not familiar with strategy games in general, let alone Paradox's unique line of grand strategy games. I crossed over to EU4 from CK2 myself, and I still had to watch several videos and read many guides before I could get my bearings right in game. Simple guides that just showed players how to analyze a country's situation and develop a plan for survival and expansion were all very helpful to me in that phase. It would certainly have taken me much longer to discover core strategies like vassal feeding if I was just playing in isolation. In any case, most mechanics that operate in a straightforward manner have already been documented on the wiki. Although there are still many important ones left out, they tend to be rather abstruse and difficult to test. I encourage you to tackle that challenge! Vyn (talk) 11:38, 3 November 2014 (CET)

Hi Vyn, I'm not saying of course there should be no strategy guides or advice at all - after all I wrote a strategy section for the Rebellion page. ;) But I'm not a fan at all of the country-specific ones that say "do this, then do this, then do this" ... they don't teach you how to analyze what you should be doing on your own, and they are very easily outdated by a new patch. Watching a video/stream on YouTube/Twitch or reading an up-to-date AAR on the forum is much more effective, and I feel the Wiki would do well to concentrate on what it does best. Mgoetze (talk) 18:34, 3 November 2014 (CET)

Added some DLC info

I added info about the two unit packs released on the same day as the Art of War expansion. Roaringjohn (talk) 19:07, 4 November 2014 (CET)

Nice. I've given you a ticket. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:10, 4 November 2014 (CET)

Changes made

Hi there. I made a few tweaks to articles, mostly grammar stuff, though. I don't want to look like a moneygrabber but I'd certainly appreciate the chance to win something :P I'll try to do some more tweeks tomorrow.

Cheers.

section version

Can we get an indicator, that a section of an articel is accurate for the current version? Currently there is only an indicator if a section isn't accurate for the current version.

If you look at the land units page, there is the big warning at the top, that the article is outdated. But the unit pips are actually accurate, but people don't realize that.

If there were a way to have that show only if the article itself is marked as outdated, sure. But having that show when *everything* is up to date would be distracting. ~ Meneth (talk) 07:18, 4 December 2014 (CET)