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Archive of all User talk:Meneth discussions from 2013. If you want to restart one of these discussions, copy it to User talk:Meneth and add your comments. This page cannot be edited.


I would like to request Bureaucrat privileges to allow me to better assist this site. If not included with those rights, I would also like to request server access. Both of these would allow me to better contribute by importing pages, dealing with user-rights, and extensions. While that would not be all that I would do with the rights, it would encompass most of my actions. This early in a wiki's "life" any mistakes can be easily corrected and not affect too much. I thank you for your time and consideration. ~ Ad intellige (talk) 06:07, 3 June 2013 (CEST)

There's no reason for you to have bureaucrat privileges. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:49, 3 June 2013 (CEST)


I believe that we should only have the captcha for account creation rather than editing. It only gets in the way of regular editing. While it cuts down on spam, it also annoys human users. Thus, I do not believe it to be so necessary. ~ Adintellige (talk) 06:50, 3 June 2013 (CEST)

CAPTCHAs ensure that there's virtually no spam. Most people are added to an usergroup within a few edits that ensures their edits don't trigger CAPTCHAs any more. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:50, 3 June 2013 (CEST)

User promotion and Navboxes

Hello dear, I registered to the wiki and am willing to help. I would like my account to be added to the user group Autopatrol if you don't mind. The only right I need so far but so bad is the skipcaptcha.

Also, I'd like to create some Navigation Boxes ({{Navbox}}), but to have the expand/collapse option it needs some Javascript functions. You would have to create the MediaWiki:Common.js page and add there the code that would allow viewer browsers to display expandable tables without a reload. You can copy it from eu3wiki (we only need the part from /** Collapsible tables ** on). If you don't want then I'll try to get nice looking Navigation Boxes but they won't be expendable/collapsible.

Just to show you how it looks like, here is an draft exemple I created in a rush for testing: {{Country List}}.

Yours, Klymene (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2013 (CEST)

Added you to the usergroup; would've added you earlier but I hadn't seen your edits until now. Expandable stuff should be doable without using Common.js though; see the V2:Template:Spoiler for example. Do tell if that isn't usable though.
Nice work so far, looking forward to seeing more from you. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:13, 15 June 2013 (CEST)
Thanks for the support. As for the expanding tables, I'll need to read some documentation. I'm ok with wikicode and some css, but less fluent with javastuff and advanced coding. Kly.

Country Templates

I was wondering if we should include the starting National Ideas under the country template

National idea group would make sense for those who don't have unique ideas. Could be added as an optional section in the template. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:29, 1 July 2013 (CEST)

Tiers and Challenges

I was thinking that we could start a tier system for all the countries. It would be a gold, silver, bronze and dirt levels. A gold tier country would be the most user friendly such as England or France. A silver country might be a middling European power such as Bavaria, Switzerland or Novgorod. A bronze would be the Mamelukes or Japan. The dirt levels would be the ones that are the least user friendly and the hardiest to play as, such as Ryukyu. Alternatively to metals we could simply arrange them from 1-5 or 1-10 in difficulty levels. If you like that idea we could also do it for their individual components. So England has good Naval NIs and a good starting position so it would be rated high in the "Naval Nations" page.

All of this would allow a player to more easily pick the nation he wants to play. If he wants to play a land power he would open up the "Land Nations" page select a country that is high on the list and go from there. It can also be useful for players who want a challenging nation to play.

Also as a side note, we could create a EUIV challenges page in which we invent challenges for players to try on their own. These would range from the easy "Create Great Britain from Scotland" to the nigh impossible "Annex France as Ragusa".

What do you think?

I like the 1-10 idea better. Rating a few different categories (Naval, Military, Trade, Colonial & Diplomatic - for example) - then each country would have a score (in this case 50 being the easiest and 5 being the hardest) this would give new players a sense of where on the difficulty spectrum each nation fell and why; and we could have an overall list as well as "individual component" lists.
I also quite like the "EU Challenges Page" - I believe Paradox mentioned that they would have Steam achievements so we should take that into account as well. ~ Mayernik311 (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
To be honest I don't see much point to that beyond making a beginner's guide that recommends a few simple countries. If any country is particularly easy or difficult, that can be mentioned in the strategy part of their country page. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:17, 11 July 2013 (CEST)


I think Tiers should be inculded with their countries, I mean, people just want to see, so why not- Sargon

Tiers do not serve any practical purpose. They do not exist in the game itself. They're essentially just a way for Paradox to prioritize countries. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:39, 23 July 2013 (CEST)
People would like to know which countries Paradox focuses on.
Then they can visit the tiers page itself. Tiers have no effect on the actual game, and thus have no need to be represented on the country page. Especially not as prominently as in the country template itself. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:41, 23 July 2013 (CEST)
I'd have to disagree, a lot of people would like to know what tier a country right on its page
The country template is only for important information. Tier is not important information, as it does not exist in the game. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2013 (CEST)

Honestly, the question is, why put the Tech groups there,which a lot of people DON'T care about , compared to the tiers, which a lot of people like to have on the page to know. Its a way to show how much flavor a country has. The amount of depth is a key game concept.

The higher the tier the higher the priority.

Tech group has a massive in-game effect. At the extreme end, the Native American tech group makes tech cost 150% more, and reduces monarch points in all categories by 2. Tiers have literally no in-game effect. The lists of unique decisions and missions shows flavor rather well. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2013 (CEST)

People want to know what tier the country is in. I rest my case.

Then they can go to the tiers page. It is not relevant enough to put on the page itself. And of course, the only person you've demonstrated that wants to know the tiers is yourself. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2013 (CEST)

Why Not? The country pages are mostly empty

The template is only for important information; if not it'll get bloated. The templates will look much larger once countries actually have flags assigned. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:00, 23 July 2013 (CEST)

EU3 Wiki

Have you progressed any further in the Creation of an eu3 wiki? Medibee (talk) 00:43, 24 July 2013 (CEST)

Still awaiting further response from the guy managing the Paradoxian EU3 Wiki. I'll ask him for an update. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:52, 24 July 2013 (CEST)
That sucks, hope he responds soon. ~ Medibee (talk) 01:45, 24 July 2013 (CEST)

New countries

All the new countries are coming from here: We should have the inferstructure that we should just add the information, if possible

Home trade node

Should we add the home trade node to the menu table? Andrew4250 (talk) 03:53, 29 July 2013 (CEST)

You mean the country page template? I suppose it would make some sense. Though it can also be decently covered in the body of the country page as well, so I'm not entirely sure. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:33, 29 July 2013 (CEST)

Hello, new here!

Hello dude as you can see im editing the "Bosnia" page a bit and I want to ask you (as im new to this wiki) how to upload pictures?

Thanks in advnace.

The page should now have a redlink saying "325px" at the top of the country template. That'll take you to the upload screen. Make sure the uploaded image is 800x533. If you don't have a flag of that size, just leave it empty and someone will eventually upload it. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2013 (CEST)

Checksum ≠ Multiplayer

I don't believe that you should conflate Multiplayer and Checksum. They don't really have anything to do with each other, really.

For instance, the checksum can be used to ensure that a game was installed correctly. That has nothing to do with multiplayer features. --PeterCorless (talk) 02:49, 3 August 2013 (CEST)

It is mostly used for multiplayer though, so it seems the most logical place to put it. Overall it seems a bit silly to have a page for such a minor thing rather than rolling it into a different page. I'm gonna get some sleep momentarily though, so we can continue discussing it tomorrow. Feel free to start a discussion about the best location for info on the checksum in the forum thread. ~ Meneth (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2013 (CEST)

Beginner's Guide on main page? or somewhere not too deep?

Would it be possible to change the front page so that we can have a link to the Beginner's guide? Or some way that it wasn't buried so deep in the bowels of the system? --PeterCorless (talk) 10:36, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

Closer to release, yes. Once the demo is out, perhaps. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:25, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

Deleted Acronyms Category

You deleted all of the acronyms I had created without discussion. Yes, they were mostly based on redirects. If you don't want it handled that way, how do you want to make a category of acronyms? --PeterCorless (talk) 18:20, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

Oh come on! You are unilaterally deleting articles without discussion. Today I went to go find "Blob" and found it pointed to a non-existent article "Jargon." Can you stop deleting the pages I am creating? Thank you. --PeterCorless (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

The issue is that tons of small pages is not a good thing for the wiki. It makes it harder for people to find related info when the info instead could be contained on a central jargon page. I did not delete the acronyms, but I did remove them from the category as categorizing redirects is silly. I redirected them towards Jargon as that is by far the most fitting place for such content.
I believe the longest page I deleted was two paragraphs long. Page creep like that is one of the big reasons why the Paradoxian wikis are disorganized messes, and is something I try my best to avoid. I should perhaps have moved all the info as well, but when I wake up and see a dozen tiny pages created I'm not exactly in a mood to do so. The info is still contained in the revision histories however; it isn't gone. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:42, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
As a wiki administrator, you're going to have to find a better way to manage your mood than deleting other people's pages. --PeterCorless (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
I redirected most of them. I'm sorry for deleting them, but having those tiny pages does not add anything. I'm trying to improve upon the jargon page now by having descriptions for the acronyms. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
In your opinion. However, I have been posting to the Forum to add articles on everyone's favorite neologisms, and now, all the links I created in the past day are blown away -- leaving egg on my face. I am glad you are trying to help recover the data, but you need to be a bit more reserved if you don't want to alienate other people trying to help add content. Nothing is more disconcerting than to see page after page of contribution unilaterally destroyed without discussion. For instance, you could have asked me to consolidate the pages, or tagged them with a merge. --PeterCorless (talk) 18:51, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
I'm very much sorry for outright deleting them. There's not much more I can say/do than that. I will do my best to avoid such events in the future. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
Fair. And thanks. --PeterCorless (talk) 18:58, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
I very much appreciate your input. I think we can both get easily overeager; me with occasional autocratic actions, and you perhaps with creating pages ;). Anyway, I hope we can put that entirely behind us.
Take a look at my updates to the jargon page. I think it works much better this way. Any concept that has more to be written about it than just a paragraph or two can get its own page, while the rest I think should just be listed like that. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
Looks good! :) --PeterCorless (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

Template:Country -- add provinces at start dates?

What do you think?


I don't think that we need to enumerate all the provinces a country has at each start date (listing them all by name seems too much), but perhaps we could put in a simple province count for them. That way, people will be able to see if a country is even in a certain scenario, and how its power waxes and wanes based on the start date.

In the long term, once the Wiki really gets started I could also see something like a "total (core, non-core, colony)" count. --PeterCorless (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

I think it'd probably work better to instead mention any exceptionally high or low points in the article body. For most nations their territory varies very little between starts. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:50, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
Austria? England? Spain? They vary widely. And many nations aren't even available in certain start dates. Most of the Irish states disappear after a while. I think it would help people navigate the countries over time. If it's not in the main infobox, perhaps there could be a scenario infobox lower on the page for each country with this information? --PeterCorless (talk) 21:17, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
The big countries vary quite a bit. Almost everyone else either don't vary at all, or simply vary between existing and not existing. It might be worth to have a specific page for countries that change over time, listing all of them (with exact dates, even), but I don't think it is common enough to justify putting it on every country page (but of course in the body for countries where there is significant change). ~ Meneth (talk) 21:27, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

I think at least some information about the 1444 start (the first start is always the most played one) would be good. If the country exists or no and the number of provinces. (talk)

Definitely, but pretty much every country page should start with a line or two about their position in the world. I'm not really sure it fits well into the country template in any way that isn't already well covered by the page's intro. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2013 (CEST)

Problem of tumbnail in HRE section

I cannot see the screenshot that you uploaded, and when I changed it, I finally could see it. There is a problem with my browser (Internet Explorer 9)? Do you see this full upload? --Wrongovernmentype (talk) 21:21, 11 August 2013 (CEST)

Yep, the image works just fine for me. Try CTRL+F5. ~ Meneth (talk) 21:23, 11 August 2013 (CEST)
I'll try and if you see this, I'll not change it. --Wrongovernmentype (talk) 21:52, 11 August 2013 (CEST)

Add Strategy guide sections

Now when the full game is out, I think it will be better if there will be strategy guides to every country. Don't you think so? Actually, it can be added as section to every country like there are sections of national ideas, missions and etc. Not like in the eu3 one. --Wrongovernmentype (talk) 01:04, 15 August 2013 (CEST)

Yep. Country pages should have info about strategy. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2013 (CEST)

Inline references, LaTeX formula display

Any chance of enabling inline references and/or LaTeX formula display?

--Evil4Zerggin (talk) 21:28, 18 August 2013 (CEST)

If you can demonstrate a need for it ;) ~ Meneth (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2013 (CEST)
Citing is good for sourcing forum posts, such as the recent talk on flanking mechanics. It's also useful for making footnotes in tables; for example, what is currently done using asterisks in Countries. As for LaTeX math display, I think it would make it easier to read formulas on pages such as Trade and Land warfare (especially once the actual mechanics are more worked out on the latter). --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2013 (CEST)
Seconding this request - the Trade page is nigh-unreadable now because all the math is done in plaintext. --Pyroclastic (talk) 00:12, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
Cite and Math are being installed now. They should be live in a few minutes. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:18, 28 August 2013 (CEST)
Cite is now on. I can't get Math working due to using a shared host however. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2013 (CEST)
Thanks! Any chance of [1] working? --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 21:47, 28 August 2013 (CEST)
That's what I tried to use. Couldn't get it working sadly. ~ Meneth (talk) 21:47, 28 August 2013 (CEST)
Rats! Well, thanks again for looking into it. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 21:52, 28 August 2013 (CEST)

Sticking huge events in the discussion page

Hey, the point of posting the events in the discussion page is to not only make it easier for someone to confirm my interpretation of code, but to allow access to it without having to search in their own steam folder. Which will hopefully encourage more people to understand code, eventually contributing more to this wiki^^

Pastebin it and link the Pastebin instead :)
Sticking the event as a whole makes it rather difficult to get to any discussion below the event. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:54, 25 August 2013 (CEST)
Yeah it may have been a few hundred lines :D
I'm hosting the content on my user page now, somewhat I dont like pastebin :P Damarow (talk)
That's fine, I suppose. Though I do think Pastebin would be preferable. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:08, 26 August 2013 (CEST)

Thanks for your quick edit

Thanks in advance for your edit, my fault. ;) Smartcom5 (Talk ?) 18:14, 1 September 2013 (CEST)

Protected Page edit requests

Hiya. In Template:Infobox, could you please replace:

<div style="width:{{{width|500px}}}; margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px; float: left; border: 2px solid #2C353C; border-radius: 6px; background: #536D7A; color: white !important; padding: 5px;">
<div style="background: #3E4E51; border-radius: 6px; padding: 0px 6px 0px;">

(at the top) with:

<div style="width:{{{width|500px}}};" class="eu4box">
<div class="eu4box-heading>

And then also add the following to Vector.css (to work around the fairly illegible links seen here.)

.eu4box a {
  color: lightblue !important; <!-- or another suitable light colour... -->

Cheers, --General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 14:41, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

Done. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:43, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

Better main wiki cover image?

Can we get better main wiki cover image for this wiki? Just using the paradox dinosaur fossil is not that easy to tell which wiki you're in. Can we get something like what has? Can we maybe use theirs? Iluxan (talk) 20:23, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you mean a portal to the wikis? In that case, we've got that: Paradox Wikis. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:24, 3 September 2013 (CEST)
You know what, I'd love it if we just randomly selected a loading page image from the game and displayed it as a splash background. It's really dull and un-atmospheric at the moment.--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 21:46, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

Clickable maps

Hey Meneth, would it be possible to install this extension? It's awesome for maps such as the one found in Countries and is useful for many other types like religion and culture. KaTiON (talk) 01:42, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

The country map is way too small to be clicked on though. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:07, 4 September 2013 (CEST)


Hello, I have the flags for nearly all the countries in the game (EU4) but they are smaller than the specifications. If I enlarge them to 800x533 they will be low quality. Any help?

Generally the best way to find flags is by simply searching Wikipedia or Google for "Flag of x"; that'll generally provide a decent quality flag. It's also possible in a lot of cases to either adapt a different flag, or to create the flag from scratch. 12:52, 15 September 2013 (CEST)

Thanks for the tip :)

.eu4box (infobox) font size

Suggesting we add the following additions to global CSS:

.eu4box {
font-size: 9pt !important;

.eu4box * {
line-height: 1.45em !important;

... to reduce infobox and .eu4box font size by one, making them seem a bit more compact. See wikipedia infoboxes versus it's body text for a comparative example.

After that, to tweak the version template, you'll want to add !important to font-size: 88% --General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 15:44, 16 September 2013 (CEST)

Lower font-size would really only make sense for the version and navbox templates; I can't see it making much sense for the country or idea templates. So applying it globally for infoboxes wouldn't make much sense. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:58, 16 September 2013 (CEST)
As it stands, that CSS amendment would still leave the version template smaller than the country/idea text changes (which would only change by -1pt). It just occurred to me that the text on those two latter templates appeared somehow oversized, on the dark background. Perhaps it's just me... --General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 20:30, 16 September 2013 (CEST)

Production page

I saw you made a formatting edit, give me a couple of hours today to finish the page, then go nuts :D --Lateralus (talk) 09:25, 17 September 2013 (CEST)

Updating the version template for 1.2

Seeing the new patch adds a lot of new stuff, I'd recommend updating the version template to include 1.2 as the default "current" version. --KaTiON (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2013 (CEST)

Most pages don't need any changes to be up to date, so I don't think that's quite warranted. We should have people go line by line in the changelog itself and see if anything needs updating though. We could assign people a section or two each to go through. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2013 (CEST)
See Talk:Patch_1.2#Checklist_for_v1.2_ammendments_to_the_wiki.--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 18:21, 24 September 2013 (CEST)

Standard for country articles

Is there a standard for (in 1444 existing) country articles, and especially their intros? Dutchling (talk) 20:21, 25 September 2013 (CEST)

There's not much of a standard beyond what's mentioned in Project:Style, and bolding the first occurence of the article name. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:23, 25 September 2013 (CEST)
So technically Bahmanis is wrong? I used the Wikipedia name as that way the Persian/Indian names were also applicable :P Dutchling (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2013 (CEST)
Yeah. I don't think there's much of a reason to include native spelling on this wiki; if people are interested in that they can find it on Wikipedia easily. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2013 (CEST)
Fair enough. I'll change the article, rule of cool shouldn't really be a basis for a wiki article :v Dutchling (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2013 (CEST)

The new Chinese events of 1.2 Patch

In the Ming edition section you wrote that the Ming does changes to Manchu, however the code (1.2.1 version) is:

country_decisions = {

chinese_nation = { major = yes potential = { tag = MNG NOT = { exists = QNG } has_factions = yes } allow = { technology_group = western is_subject = no is_at_war = no owns = 1816 # Beijing is_core = 1816 # Beijing } effect = { random_owned_province = { add_base_tax = 1 } add_country_modifier = { name = "centralization_modifier" duration = 3650 } remove_faction = temples remove_faction = enuchs remove_faction = bureaucrats change_government = despotic_monarchy } ai_will_do = { factor = 1 } }


BTW, the Wiki had excellent improvements in the last months. Keep your great job, beacuse currently the wiki is very handy and accessible.

Yeah, the old text was put up a few days before 1.2. Thanks for correcting it; while I reparsed all the decisions on the decision page, I skipped most of the country-specific decisions. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:41, 28 September 2013 (CEST)

Halloween Fun

Hey Meneth, how about we make something for Halloween night? Probably change the icons into pumpkins or place random spooky stuff around the website until 31 October? --KaTiON (talk) 03:58, 29 October 2013 (CET)

I'm not sure that's such a great idea. ~ Meneth (talk) 07:24, 29 October 2013 (CET)


Minor Edits for the Wiki Contest

I thought I'd compile a list of the minor spelling/grammar edits I make throughout the wiki for simplicity's sake.

Thanks Stylishg33k (talk)
Check your contributions page instead. I get spammed with emails when you edit things, so please keep unnecessary edits to a minimum. Keep up the good work, and use 4 tildes (~~~~) to sign talk page edits. ~ Meneth (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2013 (CET)

Contribution for Contest

I'm expanding the MOD list --TheKaspa (talk) 16:17, 16 November 2013 (CET)

Great. You'll get a ticket when you're done. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:28, 16 November 2013 (CET)

Jedikiller1's Contribution to the Contest

Here is the link from my user contributions page:

Jedikiller1 22:32, 16 November 2013 (CET)

Contribution for Contest

I'm not entirely sure what does and does not count, as I am pretty new, but here are the minor contributions:

  • Removed useless link on Personal Union (went to redirect that takes one back to the Personal Union page).
  • 2 grammatical fixes on Jerusalem.
  • Fixed page on Military leader to make clear that naval leaders cost Diplomatic points, not Military points.
  • Removed errant curlie-cues from Papacy.
  • 6 grammatical fixes on Government.
  • Fixed a comma splice on Great Britain.

I think that would count as 12 minor grammar fixes. I'm not sure.

More substantively:

  • Cleaned up Romania to fix grammar and bring it in line with style guide.
  • Clean up Mutapa, especially its strategy guide, to bring it in line with style guide.

I hope some of that qualifies for tickets, anyway. Wdavidfrost (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2013 (CET)

If you check the contest page, you'll see that you've received two tickets. I'll discuss with some other people whether or not to give you a 3rd. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:45, 24 November 2013 (CET)
Yay! Thank you. If you want to hold off on the third, I'll likely do some more clean-up when I have time. Wdavidfrost (talk) 19:48, 24 November 2013 (CET)
You'll get the 3rd at that time, then. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2013 (CET)
Rewrote Norway strategy guide to go along with style guide. Wdavidfrost (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2013 (CET)
You now have 3 tickets. ~ Meneth (talk) 21:28, 24 November 2013 (CET)

Contribution for contest

I've made some changes to Italy, clearing it to the reader and fixing some typos. I'll add more changes later Asdmaster (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2013 (CET)

Added a strategy to Commonwealth Asdmaster (talk) 00:27, 26 November 2013 (CET)
Added Music Modding to the wiki, also added to the Modding page. Asdmaster (talk) 15:52, 26 November 2013 (CET)
Added Advisor Modding to the wiki, also added to the Modding page. (how do I add it to a Category? I'm still green to some wiki features) Asdmaster (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2013 (CET)
Edited Commands to be better for newbies, although incomplete. Asdmaster (talk) 19:03, 26 November 2013 (CET)
Definitely a large improvement. Split it into 3 lists and you'll get the ticket: Country, Province, Other, (and a temporary Unsorted list). ~ Meneth (talk) 20:26, 26 November 2013 (CET)
There it is, multiple-scope commands went to both lists. Asdmaster (talk) 23:39, 26 November 2013 (CET)
I get email alerts; I already know, and I've given you the ticket. Once you're done editing it for now I'll strip out the scope header for the country and province lists, since those are redundant. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:40, 26 November 2013 (CET)
Another ticket has been awarded. You've got 2 total now. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2013 (CET)
A third ticket has been awarded. Take a look at the end of almost any page in edit mode and you'll see how categorization is done. BTW, make sure to read the style guidelines. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:51, 26 November 2013 (CET)

Map Resources

Hey Meneth, would it be possible to have some maps of EU4 similar to these? All I need is a blank map to paint but if you are capable could you try getting a map with: cultures, religion, regions and trade? Thanks!

KaTiON (talk) 12:58, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

My CKII map script should work for the EU4 files as well; it'll just take longer due to their sheer size. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
Awesome, I can't do this is because I don't have photoshop to load your script. KaTiON (talk) 13:48, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
Never mind, I managed to do it. Do note your script is somewhat broken for Photoshop CC. It made the arguably hardest part which was to convert everything to outline, the rest I used KaTiON (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

I'm coming across a couple of searches and mis-redirected pages dealing with Regions (from the ingame map mode), which is something I haven't been able to find on the wiki, most redirects to the Country page (having the region infobox). Is this something that we need? Some regions do overlap ingame so not sure how to best represent this. The most sought region and confusion appears to relate to the different trade bonuses that can be gained. A workaround is to just add a new section on the Trade page with an image of the provinces belonging to the East Asian Trde Port region color coded(how have you produced those fancy maps, since they aren't from ingame?). I'm investigating whether to write up some more on all those bonuses and combine them on one place... John69Doe (talk) 20:15, 1 December 2013 (CET)

Sounds like a decent way to do things. As to how those maps are coded, you use this overlay. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2013 (CET)
Thanks! I'll see what I can do :) John69Doe (talk) 22:21, 1 December 2013 (CET)
...*returns 2 days later* The corrected version you uploaded looks good on the preview, but when I click the Show Full Resolution the locations of the stars has changed. Weird. John69Doe (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2013 (CET)
Try CTRL+F5. You've got the old version cached. I did move the stars a bit, as I recreated your map from scratch. ~ Meneth (talk) 02:26, 3 December 2013 (CET)

Readjusting the template template style

See - I'm thinking we should get rid of the stark dark blue, at least for templates that appear in-line, like Events/Decisions/Missions. At the moment, they stick out of the page and get in your face too much, and I think a lighter design would make them fit into articles much better.

Thoughts on the idea?--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 23:51, 2 November 2013 (CET)

Seems a decent idea for missions and events, yeah. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2013 (CET)
Righto, I'll have a gander through the CSS and link the new version for submission here shortly.--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 13:21, 3 November 2013 (CET)

Standardizing the lists at my sandbox

Hey Meneth, would it be possible to do something regarding the width of the columns at my sandbox?

I wanted to make the first column "Title" 200px wide, the second "Release Date" 90 px wide, the third "Quick Description" has no limit and the fourth "Links" 80 px wide. --KaTiON (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2013 (CET)

There you go. ~ Meneth (talk) 07:25, 5 November 2013 (CET)

Adding .ogg sound files to the allowed upload files

I have some samples for Soundtrack which are following fair use guide lines (10% of the song at a lower bitrate).

Would it be possible to allow .ogg's to be uploaded to the wiki? --KaTiON (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2013 (CET)

I believe a plugin would be needed to allow them to be played, so I'm not sure it'd be worth it. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:55, 6 November 2013 (CET)

Religion Conversion

Hey, this is a little longer than I wanted to write, but I hope you will make it to the end. :)

I realized you deleted a chunk of my section on religion page, with the reason "conversion is covered in missionary section". Conversion is not limited to missionaries, therefore I gave some information on forcing religion and forced conversion. I was planning to add "accepting religious unity with the emperor" as well, as it is also a method to change religion in a province. There may be further methods that I haven't realized.

If you played with Ottomans, or any nation around Italy, you most probably already realized that some provinces are inconvertible. I challenge you to convert Rome to Protestant or Khuzestan to Sunni, only with missionaries! :) If you are Sunni, all you can get i +3 from piety, +2 from inquisitor, +1 from Sheik-ul Islam, +2 from base and lets say +.2 from fort. This makes up to 8.2. Khuzestan base tax is 9 so it slows it with 4.5, non-accepted culture with 2 and Shiite with 2, which makes it -8.5. You need religion idea group no matter what, and it also might not be enough for some cases. However, you can do it just as well, by capturing Yazd and Kerman, converting them which is easier as they have 1-2 base tax and selling them back to Persia and let religious zealots do their forced conversion.

I do not really want my contribution to be explicit, you can somehow mix the forcing religion and forced conversion information in any other way, but I believe this information is essential, especially for intermediate players, who already knew some aspects and want to pursue some other opportunities in the game as well. Also, english is my second language so if you think my writing is hard to understand feel free to change it in any way you want.

Also, I think putting a note on my talk page would be polite before (or at least after) deleting a huge chunk of my work. :)

I will revert your revert now. If you still want to remove this section, can you please first open it to discussion in religion page? Maybe other users might disagree in removing it.

Thanks SirLimpsALot (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2013 (CET)

Feel free to add it as a sub-section of the missionary section (even renaming the missionary section to "conversion" would be fine), but having it as a separate section entirely would be silly. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:41, 7 November 2013 (CET)
I've merged it into the missionary section (now renamed "conversion") and slapped a rewrite tag on it as it does not follow the style guidelines. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2013 (CET)
I tried to wikify it. Removing the rewrite tag or editing further is your call. Thanks SirLimpsALot (talk) 12:11, 7 November 2013 (CET)
Definitely an improvement, thanks. I told another editor to work on it after I did that merge, so he'll remove the rewrite tag once he's satisfied with it. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2013 (CET)

Could the countryParser be used to list nations from MEIOU & Taxes?

As the title says. I'm wondering how to get the countryParser file to read the countries file from MEIOU & Taxes, to list on their wiki. Pinpinolo (talk) 00:53, 16 November 2013 (CET)

Correct the path and point it at right localisation files and it should work. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:54, 16 November 2013 (CET)
Where exactly do I correct the path? Settings.txt? Pinpinolo (talk) 01:00, 16 November 2013 (CET)
Settings file. Point it to the mod dir instead of the EU4 dir. ~ Meneth (talk) 01:01, 16 November 2013 (CET)
Come to the chat Pinpinolo, it's a lot easier to exchange information. KaTiON Portugal.png (Talk | Contribs) 01:02, 16 November 2013 (CET)
OK, my settings look like this:
path: J:\Documents and Settings\SSD/My Documents\Paradox Interactive\Europa Universalis IV/mod/MEIOUandTaxes/
How do I "point it at the right localisation files"?
To KaTiOn: Heh, Maybe I will. Pinpinolo (talk) 01:11, 16 November 2013 (CET)
You'll have to use only \s, no /s. As to the localisation files, that'll have to be done in the code itself:
countries = readDefinitions("countries") and so on
You'll have to set it to whatever the localisation files containing country names are saved in the mod, and the same for the lookup variable for anything the Parser fills out. ~ Meneth (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2013 (CET)


Hey Meneth, I realized there is very few information on buildings, precisely on manufactories. I want to create a specifically for them. The only information here is what we can learn in the game screen directly. So if you think that might be useful, I will create a page. SirLimpsALot (talk) 04:34, 18 November 2013 (CET)

What sort of info would that be? ~ Meneth (talk) 11:20, 18 November 2013 (CET)
What they are, how they work, how long does it take for them to reimburse their initial cost, when and where to build one and when to prefer manufactories over normal buildings. SirLimpsALot (talk) 19:28, 18 November 2013 (CET)
I think the trade page or something like that might have a bit of info on that. Not sure where exactly the best place would be. ~ Meneth (talk) 19:28, 18 November 2013 (CET)
They are the most expensive enterprises in the game! I believe they require their own page. Also, no info on manufactories in trade section. SirLimpsALot (talk) 05:00, 19 November 2013 (CET)
Ah right, there's a little (emphasis on little) bit of info on them in trade goods. I'm not sure there's enough to say about them to make their own page though. Feel free to expand the manufactory section of buildings, and if I determine that it is sufficient to split off, it will be. ~ Meneth (talk) 08:27, 19 November 2013 (CET)