Talk:Personal union

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PU inheritance mechanics

I fixed the text, because it had been wrong for quite awhile (the replaced text had been there since at least December if not far longer). However, I'm still playing 1.9.2, so someone should confirm that PU inheritance still follows the same formula in 1.11. --108.254.174.54 16:08, 9 March 2015 (CET)

Range

It seems that if you do not border the claimed thrones nation, you are unable to Dw it in effort to pursue the claim. I will elaborate further, once I have fully confirmed my suspicions.

You can now only DW after claiming a throne if you have the same dynasty. Also, put ~~~~ after you post something to sign it. Dutchling (talk) 13:14, 25 September 2013 (CEST)

changed the 2 verification forgot to tell it in the editStrijdheld (talk) 20:55, 19 November 2013 (CET)

As always, sources of some sort are needed. I'm pretty sure I've had a personal union start without even having the same dynasty. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:56, 19 November 2013 (CET)

then i keep testing Strijdheld (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2013 (CET)

when there are no royal marriages from the targets dynasty with the target, the dynasty changes to the dynasty of someone they have an royal marriage with. Strijdheld (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2013 (CET)

that's what i found out Strijdheld (talk) 21:36, 19 November 2013 (CET)

I did some testing, and found out that personal union can be formed without being in a same dynasty and without claiming throne Here is the link of screenshot as evidence: http://i41.tinypic.com/6tpdvt.jpg Ys99116(talk) 21:14, 27 November 2013 (EST)

This article claims that you need a marriage for a PU to form. This is apparently not true as I formed a PU as Crimea with Qara Qoyunlu with no marriage throughout the game (I was using them as food for my ravenous hordefolk, marriage would mean -1 stab every 10 years). Although, I did have the same dynasty as them and so did my opponent for the succession war, Chagatai. ~Scyneir

"If player nation inherits a nation, they get immediate cores on all the provinces of the nation they inherited"

This seems to imply instant free cores on uncored land. Are you sure it's not getting cores on all the *cores* of the nation they inherited? 109.189.205.60 19:31, 15 August 2015 (CEST)

Defender or Attacker?

Suppose Brandenburg is about to enter a succession war against Hungary over Bohemia, and Bohemia has Brandenburg's dynasty and is rivalled by Hungary. Which side does Bohemia take, and which side is counted as the "defender?" I feel like this is an important point to put in so players can adequately prepare if they notice a succession war on the horizon. Fighting an Austrian-Hungarian alliance as Brandenburg does not seem very attractive. I'm doing some testing myself, but if anyone has an answer, it would be appreciated. --Sophia Makoto (talk) 08:24, 26 October 2016 (CEST)

According to my experience (I have not check the code or read a developper's answer about it, so that may be wrong), the country contesting the PU will always fight against the potential senior member already in personnal union with the potential junior member. So if Bohemia is about to enter a PU under Hungary, and you as Brandeburg are proposed to contest this in a succesion war, you will face Hungary and Bohemia, the latter already under a PU with the former. Note that it seems that Bohemia (in this example) won't be able to call in its former allies, contrary to you, so the war will be more evenly matched than it seems at first sight. Britoncolony (talk) 04:51, 6 October 2017 (CEST)

Enforcing a PU as a third party

It seems that when you vassalize a senior member of a PU which is at the same time in a succession war, you end up with the former senior member as your vassal and the junior as your own junior member in a new PU. And of course, you get involve in the succession war, now between you and the former contestant. Can someone confirm?

Also it seems that the warcost of vassalization is just the standard one, as if the senior member wasn't in any PU. In the game I played when this happened, it also occured that the junior member, which has become mine, wasn't involved anymore in the succession war when I got in. Is that a bug? Britoncolony (talk) 05:07, 6 October 2017 (CEST)

Inheritance without union

In my recent game, Saxony just inherit Ansbach in 1446 without establishing personal union. Do we need to include such information there?