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Sorting and filtering out this list[edit]

I'm realizing that this list will be quite long and I was wondering if their was a better way to flip through it. The menu tab at the top is great for easy access. My real question though is how we should divide up the non country specific ones. In lieu of saying Brandenburg/Prussia I had them split up with a link to the Prussian ideas on the Brandenburg section. Should I do the same with Castille/Spain and England/Great Britain. This could also apply to Tripoli, Fez, Algiers, Tunisia and Morocco. This would apply as well when we start adding in all the OPMs.

Or is this page more of a reference page for us wiki editors?

Dai Viet and the Palatinate[edit]

They had their own unique set as well and these two are still missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.212.198 (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2013‎ (CEST)

Template[edit]

I've modified the idea group template for this page:

{{{name2}}} ideas

[[File:{{{idea1icon}}}.png|28px]] Found the Kammergericht

National tax modifier +10.0%

[[File:{{{idea2icon}}}.png|28px]] Divide the Estates

Stability cost modifier -10.0%

[[File:{{{idea3icon}}}.png|28px]] Army Professionalism

Morale of armies +1.00

[[File:{{{idea4icon}}}.png|28px]] Noble Cadets

Yearly army tradition decay -1.0%

[[File:{{{idea5icon}}}.png|28px]] The Goose Step

Infantry combat ability +25.0%

[[File:{{{idea6icon}}}.png|28px]] Regimental Cantons

National manpower modifier +33% and regiment recruitment time -25%

[[File:{{{idea7icon}}}.png|28px]] Religious Toleration

Production efficiency +5.0% and tolerance of heretics +1.00

Idea bonus.png Ambition:

Discipline +25.0%
{{{name2}}} ideas

[[File:{{{idea1icon}}}.png|28px]] Found the Kammergericht

National tax modifier +10.0%

[[File:{{{idea2icon}}}.png|28px]] Divide the Estates

Stability cost modifier -10.0%

[[File:{{{idea3icon}}}.png|28px]] Army Professionalism

Morale of armies +1.00

[[File:{{{idea4icon}}}.png|28px]] Noble Cadets

Yearly army tradition decay -1.0%

[[File:{{{idea5icon}}}.png|28px]] The Goose Step

Infantry combat ability +25.0%

[[File:{{{idea6icon}}}.png|28px]] Regimental Cantons

National manpower modifier +33% and regiment recruitment time -25%

[[File:{{{idea7icon}}}.png|28px]] Religious Toleration

Production efficiency +5.0% and tolerance of heretics +1.00

Idea bonus.png Ambition:

Discipline +25.0%
{{{name2}}} ideas

[[File:{{{idea1icon}}}.png|28px]] Found the Kammergericht

National tax modifier +10.0%

[[File:{{{idea2icon}}}.png|28px]] Divide the Estates

Stability cost modifier -10.0%

[[File:{{{idea3icon}}}.png|28px]] Army Professionalism

Morale of armies +1.00

[[File:{{{idea4icon}}}.png|28px]] Noble Cadets

Yearly army tradition decay -1.0%

[[File:{{{idea5icon}}}.png|28px]] The Goose Step

Infantry combat ability +25.0%

[[File:{{{idea6icon}}}.png|28px]] Regimental Cantons

National manpower modifier +33% and regiment recruitment time -25%

[[File:{{{idea7icon}}}.png|28px]] Religious Toleration

Production efficiency +5.0% and tolerance of heretics +1.00

Idea bonus.png Ambition:

Discipline +25.0%

So 3 wide.

Regex memo[edit]

SEARCH:

/==([\w\s]*)==[\s\n\b]+([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\s\n\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\n\s\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\n\s\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\n\s\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\n\s\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\n\s\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*)[\n\s\b]+^#([\w\s]*): ([\b\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’:]*) $[\n\b\s]+([\w\s%\.\,\'\!\/\\\&\+\-0-9\’]*)/gm

REPLACE:

<!-- Country: $1 -->\n{{Idea_group\n|country=group\n|name=$1\n|tradition=$2\n|idea1=$3\n|idea1effect=$4\n|idea2=$5\n|idea2effect=$6\n|idea3=$7\n|idea3effect=$8\n|idea4=$9\n|idea4effect=$10\n|idea5=$11\n|idea5effect=$12\n|idea6=$13\n|idea6effect=$14\n|idea7=$15\n|idea7effect=$16\n|bonus=$17}}\n\n\n

(Self memo)--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 19:38, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

Turn the other cheek Hostile attrition: +1 being red[edit]

Why is the "+1" red? The "+200%" hostile core creation from the Berbers and other nations is green. It makes sense to me to make everything that is, according to the nation getting the idea, a good thing, to be green. (131.174.90.32 14:08, 24 September 2013 (CEST))

Fixed. Only things that are negative for the idea receiver are supposed to be red, yeah. ~ Meneth (talk) 14:11, 24 September 2013 (CEST)

All patch 1.2 ideas added[edit]

What the title says. Page feels like it's doubled in size... Pinpinolo (talk) 12:44, 26 September 2013 (CEST)

Great job, Pinpinolo. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:45, 26 September 2013 (CEST)

idea group/Italian[edit]

The italian idea group (for all countries that are in the Latin culture group and have their capital in Italy) has the final bonus cropped.

--85.87.122.143 01:40, 30 October 2013 (CET)

Thanks, I've fixed the issue by shortening the note. ~ Meneth (talk) 01:44, 30 October 2013 (CET)

Divine idea group[edit]

Hi, i'm new in this wikistuff, and I just spotted that there is a new idea group in game. The Divine idea group applies to Livonian order and Teutonic order

Pretty sure that's already on there: National ideas#Theocracies. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:52, 22 November 2013 (CET)

Natives for CoP[edit]

Added the national ideas for Huron, Iroquois, Chickasaw, Cherokee, Pueblo, and Shawnee. Flags are missing for some, but it should be coded to show them as soon as they're added to the wiki. May need to edit once CoP goes live.Kainazzo (talk) 22:58, 13 January 2014 (CET)

Good work. Don't forget to sign comments on talk pages using 4 tildes (~~~~). ~ Meneth (talk) 22:56, 13 January 2014 (CET)
Natives and Colonial still missing

France's native attack idea and Marathas Ideas[edit]

Instead of going on an undo back and forth.

The tooltip does not lie. The Manpower and Tax increase from natives is hardcoded into the native attack reduction.

As for Marathas Ideas, they are not removed. They are simply placed in the country ideas file instead of the group ideas file. --Golladan (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2014 (CEST)

I've restored Marathi ideas, since I've manually confirmed they do exist. As to the French stuff, the best thing to do would be to provide a screenshot showing their bonus applied. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:06, 3 June 2014 (CEST)
Here is the screenshot showing Rio de Oro before and after colonization, and before and after having the idea. http://i.imgur.com/NwAxc1I.jpg --Golladan (talk) 19:57, 3 June 2014 (CEST)
Right, then you and the tooltip are clearly right. I've restored that bit of the French ideas. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2014 (CEST)

1.7 national ideas[edit]

While many (all?) countries that've had their ideas changed in 1.7 have had their text description updated, none of them have had their icons updated. Hopefully someone will do this soon, though perhaps it will also require the upload of a few new icons? I imagine the wiki doesn't have icons for years of nationalism and accepted culture thresholds. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:18, 17 July 2014 (CEST)

Table of contents[edit]

We should definitely replace the ToC for this page with something less unwieldy. I think something like the ToC for Policies#Administrative policies would work great. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:53, 30 October 2014 (CET)

Spelling Error in Swahili ideas[edit]

Maneuver is misspelt 'menuver' in Swahili ideas. I don't know how to edit the tables sadly.

Fixed, thanks. BTW, sign comments on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~). ~ Meneth (talk) 11:49, 8 February 2015 (CET)

French cuisine wrong icon[edit]

French Ducal ideas have Cavalry_power icon instead of Prestige icon in the French cuisine idea. I dont know how to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.98.34.59 (Talk) 15:13, 8 September 2015 (CEST)

Fixed. Thanks for your comment. – Lillebror (talk) 19:02, 8 September 2015 (CEST)

Dai Viet + sectioning[edit]

The Dai Viet NIs are currently applied to 3 nations [Dai Viet, Annam, Tonkin - basically all with Vietnamese as primary culture]. I added a note, but maybe it should be moved to group ideas instead?

On another note, I sectioned [almost] the whole page. Didn't make much sense having the same info here and on country pages without transclusion in the mix. Since the display logic is now baked in I removed the modifier, but if there are problems I have a version with it on standby. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:04, 30 December 2015 (CET)

On Dai Viet I think they can be moved to the group section.
On the sectioning and he ability to transclude, superb work. Its a great idea to reduce duplication since it really cuts down on the chances of missed edits or cofused updates. I think we should seriously look at tyranscluding all ideas lists from this page. Other users should have a think and state their thoughts. Dauth (talk) 14:54, 30 December 2015 (CET)
Transclusion of NIs is very logical thing to do, as it reduces update time and probability of mistakes. Puchacz (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2015 (CET)
I was hoping to make it editable on both ends, but editable-transclusions seem to be applicable only for headers [at least for now]. I used the Afghanistan for the test and added a note [though the note can be removed]. I can make the changes on the go as part of the region pages if I get the green light. Example: {{#lst:National ideas|Afghanistan}} <!-- to modify this country's National ideas go to "National ideas" page -->
Regarding group ideas and converter ideas I have another suggestion. If we are going with transclusion it would make more useful to list them on a single page as well instead of the individual template pages. It would make any future edits more convenient. Since the main NI page is already big and is slow to respond when making edits, I would like to move them [group/converter] to a page of their own. ~ SolSys (talk) 15:26, 30 December 2015 (CET)
Do you mean simply a merged template for easier editing? If so, that sounds reasonable, so it'd be {{Group idea|Swahili}} rather than {{Idea group/Swahili}}. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:08, 30 December 2015 (CET)
I think we mean that on country/strategy pages that instead of typing out the ideas we instead tramsclude from here because its much less likely to get the wrong information. Not to mention, updating one location is easier than two. Dauth (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2015 (CET)
Yes, something of the sort; except I meant a regular page and transcluding from there. As they are now, its problematic getting to and edit them unless you know where they are located. ~ SolSys (talk) 16:53, 30 December 2015 (CET)
Anything meant purely for editors should be a template, not a regular page. I don't see the utility to normal readers, so it should be a template. Templates are in many ways easier to edit than section transclusions, as the templates used on a page gets listed at the bottom when editing it. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2015 (CET)
I don't really see why group ideas are different than unique NIs, but in that case merging the subtemplates as you said before would improve it. ~ SolSys (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2015 (CET)
I'm not sure what you mean by "why group ideas are different than unique NIs". Unique NIs don't get a page of their own either. ~ Meneth (talk) 17:17, 30 December 2015 (CET)
I probably didn't explain well. I didn't mean a single page for a single idea, I meant a single page for all the group ideas. ~ SolSys (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2015 (CET)

Group Natonal Ideas[edit]

Why do group NI do not appear when I open the edit? While I just need to extract them at the moment, simple instructions on how to edit them could be useful in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QDI (talk) 09:32, 17 January 2018 (CET)

These ideas are in a template, see Template:Group NI. – Lillebror (talk) 09:42, 17 January 2018 (CET)

Can someone help me correcting Caucasian merc mant to -10 %? Cant find the template. --Mr. G (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2018 (CEST)

French Ducal Ideas change[edit]

La Petite Nation is +10% Morale instead of +20%. But I am not familiar with wiki and can't change it by myself.

Split?[edit]

Should we split off the group idea section? Several group idea set links have been broken for weeks now because there's simply too many templates on the page and it's gonna be worse when the new patch hits. Pinpinolo (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2018 (CEST)

Maybe we should no longer display the national ideas on this central page but only on the respective country pages (super-region pages for group ideas) through a reactivated {{national ideas}}-template. – Lillebror (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2018 (CEST)

missing country[edit]

just found a country in my game caffa with what look to be individual ideas not sure how they formed never seen them before. spawned in caffa their traditions are 15% reinforce speed and 20% autonomy change cooldown.

im going to dip vassalize them to get the rest of their ideas and list them out here. im too lazy to brush up on how to edit pages to cleanly add this to the actual article so if someone could help a bro out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaromarn (talk) 14:40, 7 December 2018‎ (CET)

The national ideas listed for Kaffa on the wiki are correct. Are you playing with custom nations or a mod? – Lillebror (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2018 (CET)
I believe he's referring to the province of Caffa on the Black Sea- in which case it would be a dynamic tag formed by revolting cossacks or a merchant republic setting up a trade city and would thus have random ideas. Pinpinolo (talk) 03:34, 8 December 2018 (CET)

I was and it defiantly formed in a revolt of some kind not a free city. Did not know that Cossacks revolts could cause random gen idea groups this can probably be removed if it's not a Genoa releasable at start. My b for not doing more thorough checking.

{{{2}}} for NI descriptions[edit]

Despite being very extensive, one thing which this wiki lacks is descriptions of NIs and other temporary or permanent modifiers. To remedy this, I suggest that the names of NIs are in {{{2}}}, along with their descriptions. For example, Albanian ideas would look like this:

Albanian ideas

Traditions.png Traditions:

+10% Manpower recovery speed
+20% Fort defense

Land force limit modifier.png All Lands Under Skanderbeg

+20% Land force limit modifier

Land leader maneuver.png Land of Ambushers

+1 Land leader maneuver

Prestige.png Kingdom of Albania

+1 Yearly prestige

Cavalry flanking ability.png Hit and Run

+50% Cavalry flanking ability

Stability cost modifier.png Land of the Eagles

−10% Stability cost modifier

Tolerance heretic.png Albanian Tolerance

+1 Tolerance of heretics
+1 Tolerance of heathens

National manpower modifier.png Break The Power Of Princes

+15% National manpower modifier

Idea bonus.png Ambition:

−1% Yearly army tradition decay

Tmasher (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2019 (CET)

The problem with this approach is that it eats up the page's increasingly limited template space- that's the reason the group national ideas were separated into their own page, see this old revision for what happens when the template size is exceeded. https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/index.php?title=National_ideas&oldid=108401#Converter-only
I'd like to see NI descriptions as well but it would require a serious overhaul of how the wiki's NI template works IMO. Pinpinolo (talk) 16:46, 2 February 2019 (CET)

Not sure how to edit wrong idea[edit]

The sixth Spanish idea gives an additional diplomatic policy slot instead of an extra free policy (possible_dip_policy instead of free_dip_policy). I tried fixing it on this page but I'm not very wiki-savvy and when previewing it I couldn't get it to work properly. Would be great if somebody else could change it or explain to me how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.186.49.13 (talk) 13:28, 3 February 2019‎ (CET)

Good find. Thanks for your report. Fixed. – Lillebror (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2019 (CET)

Random new World Fantasy Nations[edit]

In the List here there are the Nations from this list missing...

I don't know how to find them out without reloading the game 1000 times, but if someonme in here knows that please add them

2.247.248.119 16:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)