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Stat tests[edit]

Using a mod I made a decision that gives generals with a specific amount of tradition. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 02:32, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

0 Tradition[edit]

100 generals:

Skill 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Fire 0 0 4 9 21 35 31
Shock 0 0 0 7 19 46 28
Maneuver 0 0 2 8 25 30 35
Siege 0 0 0 0 3 36 61

1000 generals:

Skill 6 5 4 3
Fire 0 7 22 n/a
Shock 2 5 34 n/a
Maneuver 0 0 17 n/a
Siege 0 0 0 8

1000 conquistadors:

Skill 6 5 4 3
Fire 0 2 27 n/a
Shock 0 2 20 n/a
Maneuver 0 4 21 n/a
Siege 0 0 2 50

4000 leaders nearly hung the game. I got at least one 6 in Fire, Shock, and Manuever, and a handful of 4s in Siege, but no 5.

100 Tradition[edit]

100 generals:

Skill 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Fire 6 10 30 27 17 10 0
Shock 6 16 26 30 14 8 0
Maneuver 10 10 19 35 21 4 1
Siege 0 1 6 17 43 27 6

100 conquistadors:

Skill 6 5 4
Fire 5 16 n/a
Shock 11 6 n/a
Maneuver 15 14 n/a
Siege 0 2 4

1000 generals:

Skill 6 5 1 0
Fire n/a n/a n/a 12
Shock n/a n/a n/a 16
Maneuver n/a n/a n/a 6
Siege 0 6 n/a 86

After 2000 more draws I got a siege 6 conquistador.

200 Tradition[edit]

Yes, this is possible via event! (Can't go below zero, though, since negative numbers indicate a female leader, not negative tradition.)

100 generals:

Skill 6 5 4 3
Fire 71 17 12 0
Shock 61 22 14 1
Maneuver 82 10 5 3
Siege 16 27 34 23

In 5000 leaders, there were only five Fire/Shock/Maneuver of 2.

Modifiers[edit]

With e.g. +1 Leader Shock it is impossible to get a skill of 0 in Shock. So it looks like leader skill modifiers are indeed a straight shift. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2013 (CET)

Commentary[edit]

Very interesting! Siege = especially strange.--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 02:45, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

So it doesn't appear that conquistadors have lower skill than generals. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 03:21, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

They do, but this was first implemented after the El Dorado expansion and 1.10 patch. --Chrras (talk) 11:15, 8 March 2015 (CET)

Rulers & military skill[edit]

Does their military monarch skill play any part in determining ruler-general skills? Or is it still determined by army tradition?--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 17:28, 2 November 2013 (CET)

1.10: Pips for Conquistadores/Explorers, Generals/Admirals[edit]

Considering the 1.10 patch has now slightly lowered the pips of conquistadors and explorers, I did some testing. Here are the results:

Conquistadors, 100 Tradition
Skill 0 1 2 3 4 5 6
Fire 1 14 23 29 18 12 3
Shock 2 10 23 22 24 9 3
Maneuver 1 17 25 25 20 11 1
Siege 21 43 25 9 1 1 0

Conquistadors, 0 Tradition

Skill 0 1 2 3 4 5 6
Fire 25 40 19 12 3 0 0
Shock 29 31 29 8 3 0 0
Maneuver 28 36 24 11 1 0 0
Siege 65 28 5 2 0 0 0

I'll be doing generals and admirals eventually, 100 and 0 tradition, as I think Mapleyy said the 1.1 ones Ziggley did were out of date? I'm unsure whether explorers are necessary, as they'll nearly definitely be the same pip averages as Conquistadores. Once done, I'll update the main page as well as give some stats (averages, dif. in generals/conquistadors etc) --TheWinner (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2015 (CET)

I did some testing yesterday and found results which deviated a rather lot from Ziggley's at 0 tradition (albeit a sample of 100 isn't very comprehensive in the first place); I'll see if I can gather some stats for generals and admirals as well. Mapleyy (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2015 (CET)

Generals, 100 Tradition

Skill 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Fire 8 14 27 20 17 5 0
Shock 10 9 26 30 18 6 1
Maneuver 5 17 33 22 23 8 0
Siege 0 1 3 18 35 36 7

Generals, 0 Tradition

Skill 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Fire 0 2 3 9 20 42 25
Shock 0 0 2 6 19 38 35
Maneuver 0 1 2 2 25 33 37
Siege 0 0 0 0 0 37 63

Admirals, 0 Tradition

Skill 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Fire 0 0 1 10 11 34 39
Shock 0 0 2 8 30 35 25
Maneuver 0 1 7 22 18 32 20
Siege 0 0 0 0 0 0 100

Admirals, 100 Tradition

Skill 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Fire 1 7 14 29 32 14 3
Shock 12 19 22 21 22 4 0
Maneuver 3 8 23 20 29 17 0
Siege 0 0 0 0 0 0 100

monarch death chance[edit]

Is there any difference in the chance of death for a military leader depending on condition: unassigned/assigned/in battle? Gendalf (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

Maneuver speed bonus[edit]

Does anyone know the exact amount each pip of maneuver increases army speed? I did some quick testing by spawning in generals with 1–10 maneuver (via console), then seeing how long it would take for an army with that general to reach each of four adjacent provinces. Here's the raw data if anyone's interested:

Maneuver Pips Province 1 Province 2 Province 3 Province 4
0 7 10 12 9
1 7 9 12 9
2 7 9 11 8
3 7 9 11 8
4 6 8 10 8
5 6 8 10 7
6 6 8 9 7
7 6 7 9 7
8 5 7 9 7
9 5 7 9 6
10 5 7 8 6

Best I can figure by fitting numbers is it's about 3% per pip, but not quite all the numbers fit—I attribute that to the fact that I only have integer days to work with while the engine is probably actually dealing with more precise distances under the hood and rounding them, but I'd like to know if anyone knows for sure. —Philadelphus (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2016 (CEST)

Formula for pip pools[edit]

The formula for the leader pip pool is no longer accurate and hasn't been accurate since patch 1.23. AFAIK, Paradox hasn't released the new formula used and since the tooltip now displays the pip pool range for you, maybe they feel it's not really necessary to know the exact formula. Here's a table to use that shows the pip range at each tradition breakdown. But without the formula there's no way to know the actual probability.

Tradition 0% 1% 5% 13% 17% 21% 30% 34% 38% 46% 51% 55% 63% 67% 71% 80% 84% 88% 96%
Minimum Pips 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7
Maximum Pips 6 6 7 8 8 9 10 10 11 12 12 13 14 14 15 16 16 17 18

As you can see there's now 3 calculations being done at 16⅔ percent intervals to determine the minimum and maximum pips.

--140.186.148.185 05:17, 24 April 2018 (CEST)

Brought the page back down, thanks for the tip. Dauth (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2018 (CEST)

Restructure[edit]

I wanted to restructure the intro but ended up putting too much information into it. I think the page needs a restructure along the who-what-how-why in that order, with a few extra sections put in to update for cost changes, drilling improvements, etc.

Thoughts before I jump in with both feet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldred Stanton (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2018‎ (CEST)

When dealing with major changes to an article it is best to use a sandbox and move the content when you're done. In the future please sign your comments with ~~~~. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2018 (CEST)

Stars of the general?[edit]

I got a 3-star general with 6/5/2/2 pips. If we put this into the equation on this page, he will be 2-star. Does someone know the actual equation? The current equation is weird because [(maneuver+siege)/18] will always be 0. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.90.202.41 (talk) 16:23, 15 June 2019‎ (CEST)

I restored the initially posted formula which makes more sense to me. – Lillebror (talk) 03:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

1.30.3 : 4/5/3/1 is 3* I can screen if needed. Anyway if the formula can be "rounded" it's 2.72 Star : So maybe the game round the "star" normaly. In this case a 4/5/0/1 - 5/4/1/0 - 3/3/5/5 Should be 3* examples with the badest stats if the formula is correct.