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Stat tests

Using a mod I made a decision that gives generals with a specific amount of tradition. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 02:32, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

0 Tradition

100 generals:

Skill	6	5	4	3	2	1	0
Fire	0	0	4	9	21	35	31
Shock	0	0	0	7	19	46	28
Maneuver	0	0	2	8	25	30	35
Siege	0	0	0	0	3	36	61

1000 generals:

Skill	6	5	4	3
Fire	0	7	22	n/a
Shock	2	5	34	n/a
Maneuver	0	0	17	n/a
Siege	0	0	0	8

1000 conquistadors:

Skill	6	5	4	3
Fire	0	2	27	n/a
Shock	0	2	20	n/a
Maneuver	0	4	21	n/a
Siege	0	0	2	50

4000 leaders nearly hung the game. I got at least one 6 in Fire, Shock, and Manuever, and a handful of 4s in Siege, but no 5.

100 Tradition

100 generals:

Skill	6	5	4	3	2	1	0
Fire	6	10	30	27	17	10	0
Shock	6	16	26	30	14	8	0
Maneuver	10	10	19	35	21	4	1
Siege	0	1	6	17	43	27	6

100 conquistadors:

Skill	6	5	4
Fire	5	16	n/a
Shock	11	6	n/a
Maneuver	15	14	n/a
Siege	0	2	4

1000 generals:

Skill	6	5	1	0
Fire	n/a	n/a	n/a	12
Shock	n/a	n/a	n/a	16
Maneuver	n/a	n/a	n/a	6
Siege	0	6	n/a	86

After 2000 more draws I got a siege 6 conquistador.

200 Tradition

Yes, this is possible via event! (Can't go below zero, though, since negative numbers indicate a female leader, not negative tradition.)

100 generals:

Skill	6	5	4	3
Fire	71	17	12	0
Shock	61	22	14	1
Maneuver	82	10	5	3
Siege	16	27	34	23

In 5000 leaders, there were only five Fire/Shock/Maneuver of 2.

Modifiers

With e.g. +1 Leader Shock it is impossible to get a skill of 0 in Shock. So it looks like leader skill modifiers are indeed a straight shift. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2013 (CET)

Commentary

Very interesting! Siege = especially strange.--• General Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 02:45, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

So it doesn't appear that conquistadors have lower skill than generals. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 03:21, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

They do, but this was first implemented after the El Dorado expansion and 1.10 patch. --Chrras (talk) 11:15, 8 March 2015 (CET)

Rulers & military skill

Does their military monarch skill play any part in determining ruler-general skills? Or is it still determined by army tradition?--• General Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 17:28, 2 November 2013 (CET)

1.10: Pips for Conquistadores/Explorers, Generals/Admirals

Considering the 1.10 patch has now slightly lowered the pips of conquistadors and explorers, I did some testing. Here are the results:

Conquistadors, 100 Tradition

Skill	0	1	2	3	4	5	6
Fire	1	14	23	29	18	12	3
Shock	2	10	23	22	24	9	3
Maneuver	1	17	25	25	20	11	1
Siege	21	43	25	9	1	1	0

Conquistadors, 0 Tradition

Skill	0	1	2	3	4	5	6
Fire	25	40	19	12	3	0	0
Shock	29	31	29	8	3	0	0
Maneuver	28	36	24	11	1	0	0
Siege	65	28	5	2	0	0	0

I'll be doing generals and admirals eventually, 100 and 0 tradition, as I think Mapleyy said the 1.1 ones Ziggley did were out of date? I'm unsure whether explorers are necessary, as they'll nearly definitely be the same pip averages as Conquistadores. Once done, I'll update the main page as well as give some stats (averages, dif. in generals/conquistadors etc) --TheWinner (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2015 (CET)

I did some testing yesterday and found results which deviated a rather lot from Ziggley's at 0 tradition (albeit a sample of 100 isn't very comprehensive in the first place); I'll see if I can gather some stats for generals and admirals as well. Mapleyy (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2015 (CET)

Generals, 100 Tradition

Skill	6	5	4	3	2	1	0
Fire	8	14	27	20	17	5	0
Shock	10	9	26	30	18	6	1
Maneuver	5	17	33	22	23	8	0
Siege	0	1	3	18	35	36	7

Generals, 0 Tradition

Skill	6	5	4	3	2	1	0
Fire	0	2	3	9	20	42	25
Shock	0	0	2	6	19	38	35
Maneuver	0	1	2	2	25	33	37
Siege	0	0	0	0	0	37	63

Admirals, 0 Tradition

Skill	6	5	4	3	2	1	0
Fire	0	0	1	10	11	34	39
Shock	0	0	2	8	30	35	25
Maneuver	0	1	7	22	18	32	20
Siege	0	0	0	0	0	0	100

Admirals, 100 Tradition

Skill	6	5	4	3	2	1	0
Fire	1	7	14	29	32	14	3
Shock	12	19	22	21	22	4	0
Maneuver	3	8	23	20	29	17	0
Siege	0	0	0	0	0	0	100

monarch death chance

Is there any difference in the chance of death for a military leader depending on condition: unassigned/assigned/in battle? Gendalf (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2015 (CEST)

Maneuver speed bonus

Does anyone know the exact amount each pip of maneuver increases army speed? I did some quick testing by spawning in generals with 1–10 maneuver (via console), then seeing how long it would take for an army with that general to reach each of four adjacent provinces. Here's the raw data if anyone's interested:

Maneuver Pips	Province 1	Province 2	Province 3	Province 4
0	7	10	12	9
1	7	9	12	9
2	7	9	11	8
3	7	9	11	8
4	6	8	10	8
5	6	8	10	7
6	6	8	9	7
7	6	7	9	7
8	5	7	9	7
9	5	7	9	6
10	5	7	8	6

Best I can figure by fitting numbers is it's about 3% per pip, but not quite all the numbers fit—I attribute that to the fact that I only have integer days to work with while the engine is probably actually dealing with more precise distances under the hood and rounding them, but I'd like to know if anyone knows for sure. —Philadelphus (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2016 (CEST)

Formula for pip pools

The formula for the leader pip pool is no longer accurate and hasn't been accurate since patch 1.23. AFAIK, Paradox hasn't released the new formula used and since the tooltip now displays the pip pool range for you, maybe they feel it's not really necessary to know the exact formula. Here's a table to use that shows the pip range at each tradition breakdown. But without the formula there's no way to know the actual probability.

Tradition	0%	1%	5%	13%	17%	21%	30%	34%	38%	46%	51%	55%	63%	67%	71%	80%	84%	88%	96%
Minimum Pips	1	2	2	2	3	3	3	4	4	4	5	5	5	6	6	6	7	7	7
Maximum Pips	6	6	7	8	8	9	10	10	11	12	12	13	14	14	15	16	16	17	18

As you can see there's now 3 calculations being done at 16⅔ percent intervals to determine the minimum and maximum pips.

--140.186.148.185 05:17, 24 April 2018 (CEST)

Brought the page back down, thanks for the tip. Dauth (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2018 (CEST)

Restructure

I wanted to restructure the intro but ended up putting too much information into it. I think the page needs a restructure along the who-what-how-why in that order, with a few extra sections put in to update for cost changes, drilling improvements, etc.

Thoughts before I jump in with both feet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldred Stanton (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2018‎ (CEST)

When dealing with major changes to an article it is best to use a sandbox and move the content when you're done. In the future please sign your comments with ~~~~. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2018 (CEST)

Stars of the general?

I got a 3-star general with 6/5/2/2 pips. If we put this into the equation on this page, he will be 2-star. Does someone know the actual equation? The current equation is weird because [(maneuver+siege)/18] will always be 0. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.90.202.41 (talk) 16:23, 15 June 2019‎ (CEST)

I restored the initially posted formula which makes more sense to me. – Lillebror (talk) 03:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

1.30.3 : 4/5/3/1 is 3* I can screen if needed. Anyway if the formula can be "rounded" it's 2.72 Star : So maybe the game round the "star" normaly. In this case a 4/5/0/1 - 5/4/1/0 - 3/3/5/5 Should be 3* examples with the badest stats if the formula is correct.