Talk:Lan Xang

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Merging minor states into this article[edit]

Reference:

"Lan Xang ceases to exist as of Jan 1., 1707 in the game and is partitioned by three competing Lao kingdoms: Luang Prabang, Vientiane and Champassak, from North to South."

I think it'd make sense to have Luange Prabang, Vientiane and Champassak redirect to this article, and have a ==Minor states== section for them, a la Ireland#Minor states, as opposed to separate articles.--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 17:20, 11 October 2013 (CEST)

Eh sure, if you feel like it. ~ Meneth (talk) 17:20, 11 October 2013 (CEST)
I don't oppoe it. Tonkin and Annam as well, probably. Karavinka (talk) 23:29, 11 October 2013 (CEST)
Righto. I'll sort it Sunday evening if it's not already done by then.--General Baker Great Britain.png (Talk | Contribs) 01:14, 12 October 2013 (CEST)

Perhaps just making a Southeast Asian minors page would make the most sense? It'd be every country in the area that has generic national ideas. ~ Meneth (talk) 23:28, 12 October 2013 (CEST)

Shan, Khmer and Pegu are among those without unique NIs... I can't call them minors. I think it'd be better to file breakoff Lao and Vietnamese kingdoms under their their original nations, and they play quite differently in terms of their initial strategies. But maybe group page for Malay states under Malaya? (Sultanates: Malacca, Brunei, Aceh, Makassar, Pattani, Sulu. Hindu: Majapahit, Bali, Mataram, Banten.) Karavinka (talk) 13:25, 13 October 2013 (CEST)

Draft[edit]

1444 Strategy[edit]

In 1444, you start situated between Ayutthaya (over Khmer), Dai Viet, Ming, Shan, and Champa. Your first order of business is to form an royal marriage with Dai Viet and Pegu, followed by an alliance with Dai Viet. Pegu usually takes some time to convince to accept an alliance. This is a priority! (Warning: do not proclaim a guarantee with Dai Viet)

Next, while improving relations with Pegu, fabricate a claim on Champa and build up your army to the limit. Declare war as soon as is feasible, and call in Dai Viet. Your combined forces should overcome the (usually) ally-less Champa. Make sure you siege their capital Vijaya, as you need control over it for your eventual peace. After fully sieging their lands, vassalize them. The AE will be low as they are a Hindu country surrounded by Buddhists.

After the war, look at the surrounding area. Your next move is dependent on the situation around you. If Lan Na is still independent, Make sure to vassalize them. Hopefully by this point, Ayutthaya has integrated Khmer. If so, release Khmer from their core in Stung Treng as a vassal to feed. Now with 5 out of 4 relations slots, and depending on the situation, you can either chose to integrate Champa or attack Ayutthaya (after claiming Nan). After doing those things (in either order) you should end up with a fully filled out Khmer, the province Nan, a free Pattini, possibly a free Sukhothia, and integrated Champa with Cham as an accepted culture.

Now, take some time to recover your manpower and to integrate Lan Na. Your next objective is going to be to vassalize Dai Viet. It is unlikely to happen diplomatically due to the 11 base tax Thang Long. At this point Dai Viet will have you and Pegu as allies. If you rival them, they will break your alliance. If you can't rival them, then you must break it. You will not have to deal with a truce timer if you didn't guarantee them, but you will have to deal with the stability hit from the royal marriage. After declaring war, you will be fighting both Pegu and Dai Viet. If you can fully siege Dai Viet quickly, you may not have to fight Pegu.