Dai Viet

Primary culture

Vietnamese (Chinese)

Capital province

Dong Kinh (613)

Government

Confucian Bureaucracy

State religion

Mahayana

Technology group

Chinese

Dai Viet ideas

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Notes:

For Dai Viet, Annam and Tonkin.

Traditions:

+1 Attrition for enemies

−15% Culture conversion cost

The Great Proclamation

+10% Infantry combat ability

Confucian Revival

+1 Yearly prestige

Autonomous Villages

+20% Fort defense

Village Militia

+25% National manpower modifier

Don Dien

−10% Core-creation cost

Thuan Thiên

+1 Yearly legitimacy

+0.05 Mandate growth modifier

Literary Reform

−5% Technology cost

Ambition:

+10% Morale of armies

Dai Viet is a mid-sized country in Southeast Asia. In 1444, they border Ming, Champa, Muan Phuang (who they are guaranteeing at start) and Lan Xang (who also guarantees Muan Phuang). If they can maintain their independence from Ming they have the potential to expand greatly in the region and colonize the rich islands around them.

Vietnamese minor states[edit | edit source]

The kingdoms of Annam and Tonkin break off from Dai Viet in later historical starts, starting from 1527.

Events[edit | edit source]

Main article: Vietnamese events

Missions[edit | edit source]

Main article: Vietnamese missions

Reformation[edit | edit source]

id

Restore Dai Viet

Dai Viet has been torn apart by feuding noble houses. We must unite the Vietnamese people and restore our kingdom.

Potential requirements

The country:

was never an end-game nation.
is not Dai Viet, Holy Roman Empire or The Papal State
has not yet enacted this decision.
is not a colonial nation.
has Vietnamese or Sino-Vietnamese as primary culture.

If the country is AI-controlled then it:

is not a custom nation
is not a former colonial nation.
Dai Viet does not exist
has at least 3 cities

Playing with normal or historical nations

Allow

Dai Viet does not exist.
The country:

is Tonkin or Tonkin does not exist
is Annam or Annam does not exist
is not a subject nation other than a tributary state.
is not at war
is not a nomad nation
owns its core provinces of:
- Annam area
- Sông Hông area

Effects

The country:

becomes Dai Viet
gains 25 prestige.
gets new missions
gets the event ‘New Traditions & Ambitions’, unless it is a custom nation.
increases rank to kingdom, if it is a duchy
removes all provinces from the Holy Roman Empire, if it is a member and not an elector or the emperor.
gets “Increased Centralization” for 20 years, giving:
- −0.05 monthly autonomy change,
- +1 national unrest.

AI will always take this decision.

AI gives "high priority" (400) to this decision

Strategy[edit | edit source]

Starting Position[edit | edit source]

Dai Viet revolves around two major strategies: The first, annexing neighbours while improving its military quality; and the other, colonizing and expanding into the Pacific islands while slowly doing it in the mainland. Despite starting with less development than any of the other Big Four (Itself, Lan Xang, Khmer and Ayutthaya), Dai Viet's unique geographical position on the edge of Indochina lets it pinch Lan Xang and Khmer between itself and the strongest power, Ayutthaya, allowing the player to succeed in taking out those two nations and dealing with Ayutthaya next.

Additionally, Dai Viet starts with the Nobility Estate having the "Control of the Army" Privilege. This gives +1 yearly army tradition, but prevents you from progressing your missions. It is difficult to remove because it gives 30% influence and 0% loyalty. There is a strategy to remove this very quickly (within three days of start), but is not recommended for new players due to the very low percentage of crown land it leaves you at. Summon the diet and restart if you get a nobility agenda that cannot be completed before the month tick. The best one is the agenda for gaining allies. Then give either the Merchant Guilds or the Monasteries their "Primacy of" privilege for an additional mana point each month. This changes the ratio of land that each estate holds. Then sell land. You will have gained 25% loyalty (50%->75%) from summoning the diet, selling land, and completing an agenda. However, the nobility's influence will have also risen from gaining land you sold them and summoning the diet. However, because you changed the ratio before selling, it's only by about 4% after the 5% from the diet; a total of 9% (65%->74%). This gives you just enough loyalty to revoke the "Control of the Army" Privilege within three days of game start if you get the right agenda.

Diplomacy[edit | edit source]

Picking rivals at this point is pretty straight forward. Champa, in the south, should always be the first objective, as it is the weakest and most isolated nation in the region. The other two most likely should be rivalling back enemies (usually Khmer and Lan Xang). Show interested in some provinces in Lan Xang and Ally with Ayutthaya and Lan Na so you can join their war early game against Lan Xang and take some lands since Dai Viet is crippled with regency early game in 1.31. Although it is not necessary since Dai Viet is strong enough on its own to dissuade AI attackers on traditional difficulties. Malacca is one of the best potential allies as they can be used to block in and flank Ayutthaya, the strongest nation in the region who you will have to eventually face.

Early Game[edit | edit source]

Dai Viet begins with two forts, but it is recommended to destroy the fort in Thanh Hoa to save money. The fort on the capital should not be destroyed because having a Level 3 fort can be somewhat useful against AI.

In 1.31 update, Dai Viet cannot attack in the first 10 years of the game due to regency: Nguyen Thi Anh (4/4/3). Players can wait till the regency end but the not recommended because Le Bang Co (1/1/2) has a mediocre stat. Meanwhile, Dai Viet has event "A Moment of Splendor" that makes Nguyen Thi Anh with her improved stat become the queen of the country. To activate this event, the stability of Dai Viet have to be +1 and the year should be before 1459.

Immediately begin fabricating claims on Champa, as they are the easiest route of expansion for Dai Viet. You can declare war on Champa as soon as the claim is finished or when the regency end. You can also allied with one of the Tay Nguyen tribes if Champa declare war on them and the regency is still going. During the war with Champa, you can use your starting navy to blockade the Level 3 fort on their capital to quicken the siege. It is also recommended to hire the cheap Free Company mercenaries, as they cost less than normal troops and do not use your manpower. Focus on stackwiping Champa's army first, as you then want to siege all of their provinces to prevent Khmer from taking land for themselves. Use your starting transport ships to move troops past Champa's fort. Once Champa is annexed, it is recommended to simply culture convert Cham culture once it is possible, as the culture is too small to justify taking up an entire culture slot that could be better used on large cultures in Burma and Maritime Southeast Asia. If player has Leviathan DLC, this is a must to finish the mission and get free claims in Khmer. Dai Viet's starting idea is very useful for this, as well as exploiting tax development from Cham provinces. Remember that adjacency is important for making culture conversion cheap.

The next target is most likely Khmer, who is usually attacked by Ayutthaya, and Lan Xang, who often suffers the same fate.

Early on, Dai Viet will likely obtain the event Confucian Heritage which will give the player the option to convert to Confucian or stay Mahayana. Before 1.31 Leviathan, Confucian is one of the worst religions in the game in a normal playthrough. This is because Confucian and Harmonization bonuses are mediocre at best and Confucians are unable to convert the religion of provinces properly without tanking a large amount of Harmony, causing unrest in the early game, the part of the game where rebels are most dangerous. And you cannot convert the culture of provinces with a harmonized religion, essentially locking you out of doing so and ironically creating more unrest. But this is not the case in 1.31, Dai Viet can still convert culture Cham after harmonized Hindu religion. And with additions of Confucian monuments in Hue and China, Confucian choice in 1.31 Leviathan is better for conquer Ming mission route.

Culture and Religious Routes[edit | edit source]

In 1.31, Vietnamese is grouped with Chinese culture in the begining. This is a good starting point for conquering Ming later on in the game.

Religiously, Mahayana is one of the weakest religions in the game. -5.0% Idea Cost is a very mediocre modifier, so it is really like this religion only has +5.0% Discipline and +2.00 Diplomatic Reputation. Therefore, swapping religions is a great idea that will strengthen your Vietnam.

Dai Viet can immediately swap to Vajrayana at the beginning of the game for the cost of -100 Prestige and 1 Stability. This will give Vajrayana's base bonus of +5.0% Morale of Armies, which is great, unlike Mahayana's base Idea Cost. Theravada can also be swapped into, but its base modifier, -10.0% Advisor Cost, is not that good compared to Vajrayana's Morale of Armies, especially since every nation can already gain cheap advisors with the estate privileges. In addition, swapping to Theravada will remove one of Mahayana's perks which is preserved with Vajrayana: its religious isolation, allowing you to utilize the Deus Vult Casus Belli from Religious Ideas as well as the Clergy privilege Expansionist Zealotry, which gives another +5.0% Morale of Armies.

Another great religion to swap to is Hindu, although this will lock you out of using the Mandate CBs on Ming. Hindu is quite a bit stronger than Vajrayana since it has many good modifiers and versatility, especially with States General or Republic government. However, Sunni, accessible in Borneo or the Malaya peninsula, is much stronger and by far, the best religion to access disregarding the Mandate CB.

As mentioned, Dai Viet gets an event early on that gives the option of converting to Confucian with Mahayana already harmonized. This could make the conquest of China is easier. However, it is more worth it to simply convert China to another religion long term, outside of big blobbing games, of which Confucian is not even the best religion. Sunni is easily accessible and allows you to tolerate all heathens instantly while providing far stronger bonuses.